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urban skinner - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 8:41 PM ( #1 )
OK guys I am new to this site, and looking for some help
back in the mid 90's I bought out a custom tactical training facility, they specialized in training with handgun, sub guns and knife's
they were a way a head of there times place from the early 80's to the mid 90's when they ran into legal issues that closed them
so I bought out there whole property and all the contents
well I ran my own gun/knife store
I was a cold steel dealer for a few yrs, along with a lot of other things
But this guy had ton's of custom made just for him item's by many many big name high end makers, from custom knives to firearms, and all sorts of things, was truly amazing
well I sold most of the things, but kept some
I was looking through some boxes today and found a Cold Steel, " Urban Skinner"
it is a early model as far as i can tell, as it has the solid handle, no texture, but has the name COLD STEEL on it, and also has the big blood hole in the blade, that I see so many newer models don't have
BUT no where on it does it say where the blade was made, like in China or ??
and something else I cannot find on any other models, is a number, like a serial number on the other side of the blade
so anyone have any info on this knife
could this be a custom made knife just for this guy I got it from, or a limited run?
any info would be great, an appreciate the help, and sorry about the long post!
and these are the best pic's I could do for now, had with a flash on the blade!








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Re:urban skinner - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 9:02 PM ( #2 )
Did you check the stickied thread titled "History of Cold Steel Push Knives"?

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Re:urban skinner - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:29 PM ( #3 )
I did a search on the sight and the info I seen, none of it said anything about a serial number being on the blade, or the cold steel name being on the handle, and all pictures i seen again didn't match the sheath this one has
 so??
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:55 AM ( #4 )
Cold Steel very rarely puts serial numbers on knives...only special editions from what I've seen.

It is definitely an early model...the way URBAN SKINNER is written on the blade looks just like my Urban Shiv, which is one of the earliest knives that Cold Steel produced.

Never seen one with a smooth handle before.  What is it made of?  Is it still Kraton (hard rubber), just without the checkering, or is it something else?  Looks like it says something under the COLD STEEL logo...can you read it?

If it is Kraton, either someone removed the checkering (unlikely...looks too good), or maybe when they first started making the push-knives with Kraton, they didn't think it needed the checkering for a secure grip, and then changed their mind.

Kinda hard to tell if the sheath is original or custom...it seems a bit more ornate than others I've seen, but in the very early days who knows what may have been available.  Does it have a belt clip and/or velcro on the back?

Not sure where the very earliest Cold Steel stuff was made, but would guess USA or Japan.  Not sure what the laws where back then (early 80's), but the fact that it doesn't say Made in Japan may indicate that it was US made.  My Urban Shiv, and early all-metal Urban Pals that I've seen, also don't say where they're made.

Too bad it's not in better shape...would guess it is a very rare example.
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:53 PM ( #5 )
OK it says incorperated under cold steel on the handle, and yes it is I believe
Kraton rubbered handle, as I know early models were smooth, but never seem any with the cold steel logo on them
 and or a serial number
 and it has a metal belt clip on the sheath
 and again, the guy that had it, only seemed to own custom made for him items, he was way ahead of times on custom made weapons, and worked with some of the biggest names, or should i say at the time were just getting started that turned into some of the biggest name makers of today
 he was for sure onto things before most were
 which again leads me to believe it wa sa custom made knife for him, thus serial numbered, and the different sheath
 its actually I think is better shape than the pic's came out
 as it has some scratches on the blade, as a used knife would of this age I think, but other wise a solid finish, no where near any chips or rust or anything deep that I don't think couldn't be buffed out if wanted to
 any idea on what it could be worth?
or any way to tell is it was a custom made knife?
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:02 PM ( #6 )
Think I misunderstood...are you saying that it does have a serial #?  I did notice something in the first pic, but it appears to be partially covered by something.  What does it say?

Could very well have been custom-made...but other than getting an answer from Lynn himself I don't know if we can ever know for sure.

If it can be proven to be a custom/prototype/pre-production, I would say it could be worth $100....otherwise maybe $50.  More if it were in mint condition.
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:09 PM ( #7 )
Before these were banned in Canada I had both sizes.
What stands out in my memory is the detailed tooled leather sheath.
It looks like the one I had and I don't recall it having checkering on the handle like the tantos of the same era.

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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:08 PM ( #8 )
yes it has a 4 digit number on the one side, and says  Urban Skinner on the other
 so yes it has a serial number on it 103x
 so  I am thinking, I never seen or heard of one with a serial number on it??
 also itis very possible that the guy I got it from might have had  a bunch made custom for him, as he trained and sold items he trained with
 so make me wonder about it, and possible others like it
 or if maybe it was a model number just and I am just thinking wrong about a custom all together
 but all the yrs I sold  Cold Steel knives and one's I seen I never seen one with a number on it so??
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 3:41 PM ( #9 )
After reading the sticky and looking at the pics I see the ones I had...For some reason I thought it was called The Peacemaker.. The one you have mrbb the sheath IMO looks to have had tooling added to it. The serial number I would say was a special run made for that model as was done for hoffritz and others some time ago. Have you phoned cold steel or sent them a picture? That might be your best bet.
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Re:urban skinner - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 6:43 PM ( #10 )
I tried contacting Cold Steel, but haven't heard back from them
 I am really leaning to it was custom made either for this guy or a batch of them maybe for him, to sell, as a exclusive through his business
 he had lots of items like that , from both firearms makers to holster  to other brand knife companys
 he was again a real advanced guy on hwat the market was going to be for high end things in the late 70's into early 90's
 guy actually thought he was like James Bond, had all sorts of hidden rooms and secret compartments all through out his home and business
 even had the floor in one room on hydraulics  to lift up and hide things under it
 was a an adventure searching the property getting everything out when we bought it LOL

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