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FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Friday, July 07, 2017 12:09 PM ( #1 )
I missed out on a Spectre recently(good catch jlauffer LOL), but I have an awesome consolation purchase coming! It is a Taipan NIB San Mai. I started picking up some San Mai a while back and concentrated on the Tanto's and ignoring the Taipan's since I already had Gerber Mark I,II's. And when I decided that the Taipan in San Mai should be in my collection the prices had gone through the roof. Counting the days till it arrives LOL!
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Saturday, July 08, 2017 8:23 AM ( #2 )
Congrats! Let us know what you think about it.
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Sunday, July 09, 2017 10:30 AM ( #3 )
Will do! Found this interesting picture.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 10, 2017 3:58 AM ( #4 )
Nice, you won't be dissapointed.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 10, 2017 9:13 AM ( #5 )
Thank you! It should ship today from back east.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:40 AM ( #6 )
Feeling kind of lucky myself. Just bought a SMIII Recon Scout off eBay for what I think is a decent price these days...hopefully this works out better than the Spectre :-) Supposed to be unused, but doesn't have the box, but I actually bought a box and sheath off eBay a while ago thinking it might come in handy some day. So I'll keep the best sheath and sell the other one to get some money back. Also have 2 sterile CV Recon Scouts, so may sell one of them too.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:08 AM ( #7 )
That is a rare beast, would appreciate some pix with the box, sheath and knife. They seem to command a premium price compared to the Recon and SRK. I would like one but the prices I have seen are not "decent" for my budget. I hope this one works out OK you are due a good one! I recently bought a TiLite that was in similar condition as your Spectre, win some lose some I guess ha ha.Overall though I have had mostly winners so I can't complain, I just need to keep the emotion out of it ha ha.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:16 AM ( #8 )
Did your Taipan arrive yet? They are awesome knives. I have one in Aus8 and two 3V. Years ago I held one in Damascus but passed on it due to the price, $600 at the time. I also never purchased a San Mai model since I already had the Aus8. Who knew they would stop making them?
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Wednesday, July 19, 2017 10:14 AM ( #9 )
Yes but......it was not San Mai. In the cell phone pix I thought I saw the LINE so I immediately typed I will take as I was walking out the door. When I got the knife it was not San Mai, he plugged in the 13D from the box on the internet and it came up San Mai so that is what he listed it as.He said he paid $300.00 for it years ago.I thought I was going to have to send it back as I offered him $150.00 for it. He came to the realization it was not San Mai and took my offer.It may not be San Mai but it is a beautiful knife and much larger than I thought, first time handling/seeing one up close. It is NIB and looks it. Pictures later!!!
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:27 AM ( #10 )
That's bad luck you didn't get what was advertised. What would a VG-1 san mai cost in the US now, out of curiosity.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Thursday, July 20, 2017 4:56 AM ( #11 )
Some recent SMIII Tai Pan listings on eBay sold for $350, $370, and $385. A regular AUS8A one also sold for $322, but that's very high...usually they are more in the $200 range.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:18 PM ( #12 )
Here are some pix's including one with the Gerber siblings.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Thursday, July 20, 2017 8:20 PM ( #13 )
More and more!
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Sunday, July 23, 2017 4:42 AM ( #14 )
Thanks for the info jlauffer. Did the AUS8 ever come out in san mai. It's still wicked knive Neuron in any version.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Sunday, July 23, 2017 10:07 AM ( #15 )
I agree, I think the size and double edges make it a wicked one! I have only seen the San Mai III in VG-1 from Lynn,jlauffer will know though. I have seen VG-10 San Mai from other makers though. I found this interesting: Last week, reports surfaced that Cold Steel had sent letters to several knife makers over the use of the name ‘San Mai’. Since the 1980s, Cold Steel has successfully registered three US trademarks for the term San Mai, and according to the company San Mai was recognized as incontestably a distinctive trademark associated with the Cold Steel brand. Cold Steel says they have invested millions over the years promoting San Mai and bringing the name to a large international audience. The letter (see image below) informed the makers, who use the name San Mai, of the long standing trademarks and asked them to remove references to San Mai from their websites and social media within 10 days. Cold Steel Letter On the forums and in social media, enraged knife makers called Cold Steel’s letter “heavy handed” and “corporate bullying” and questioned the company’s exclusive rights to use the term. In response, this morning Lynn Thompson issued an open letter to the knife community that you can read here. The letter is an open apology to the knifemaking community, but it also reaffirms Cold Steel’s exclusive rights to the name San Mai. It’s a delicate balance between defending its trademark rights and relationship with makers and the knife community at large. Cold Steel just issued the following statement to KnifeNews.com including a note from Lynn Thompson: There is a lot of confusion between the process of forging or manufacturing three-layered-steel and the name San Mai® as used in America today. These are two very different things. It’s important to make this very clear. Cold Steel claims no ownership of a process, and is not trying to stop people from making three-layer steel knives or swords. That is a huge misunderstanding. However, we are asking people to respect the long standing trademark of the name San Mai® which Cold Steel has promoted for over 30 years. Lynn first began using the name San Mai® in 1986. Cold Steel was creating a new series of blades featuring 3-layered Japanese steel and Lynn chose a cool Japanese name for that steel and for the blades featuring it. In accordance with US trademark law, he registered it with the US Trademark Office for use here in the USA. That is the initial registration which you are referring to in your email. Over the years Cold Steel heavily promoted San Mai® and raised awareness of both the steel and the products that featured it. We advertised San Mai® worldwide, through magazine ads, our catalogs and our testing videos as well as at live events and trade shows. We invested millions of dollars promoting the name San Mai® and we went on to expand upon that trademark, registering the name as well as the mark or symbol associated with Cold Steel’s San Mai®. Cold Steel’s San Mai® became a well-known and world renowned brand, and the U.S. Trademark Office recognized San Mai® as a distinctive trademark associated with Cold Steel knives in 2008. The Trademarks were also recognized as incontestable by the U.S. Trademark Office in 2014. In order to retain those trademarks, and in order to expand upon them – to the extent that they are now recognized as incontestably distinctive and associated with Cold Steel – we not only had to promote them but to protect them. To do this, we are required by law to make a reasonable effort to defend our trademarks. Since the mid-eighties we have done so numerous times. This has included sending out letters not dissimilar to the ones that went out to a small number of makers last week. Note from Lynn Thompson, Cold Steel Founder and President: I have a great deal of admiration for custom makers, and it was the pioneering work of the American Bladesmith Society® that inspired me to try and push the limits of performance and durability in my own production knives. No custom bladesmith has ever been sued over the San Mai® name, and it is my sincere hope that such a drastic course of action will never occur. The letters that were sent out were intended to politely ask people to respect my long standing trademark of the name San Mai®, something I have invested millions of dollars building, and growing for decades. It was never my intention to appear to be intimidating members of the knife making community, and I’d like to take this opportunity to apologize sincerely to each and every bladesmith for the misunderstanding. If anyone has any questions or concerns, I’d like to encourage them to write to me via the address below. Thank you! Lynn C Thompson Cold Steel Inc. 6060 Nicolle Street Ventura CA 9300
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 24, 2017 5:26 AM ( #16 )
The original San Mai III had an AUS8A core, and then it switched to VG-1 core in 2006. Based on the catalogs, the SMIII Tai Pan came out in 2007, so it would be the VG-1 SMIII. Prior to that it was only available in regular (non-SMIII) AUS8A.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 24, 2017 10:20 AM ( #17 )
I knew would know, is the VG-1 a big improvement over the AUS8a?
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 24, 2017 10:24 AM ( #18 )
It definitely seems harder. I have sharpened several older SMIII knives with the AUS8A core, and then I tried to sharpen a VG-1 SMIII SRK...took much longer. This is based on the GATCO guide/clamp system with regular stones...may not have been as much of a differene with diamond hones.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Monday, July 24, 2017 6:47 PM ( #19 )
Good to know,thanks.
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Sunday, July 30, 2017 8:51 AM ( #20 )
VG-1 is harder, and holds an edge longer, than AUS-8A. It is one of my favorite steels. It has not taken me any longer to sharpen my VG-1s when compared to my AUS-8As. I will say, however, that, when subjected to hard use, AUS-8A has a tendency to roll, and VG-1 has a tendency to chip. I have noticed this behavior in non-Cold Steel knives, so I can't say for sure that a CS offering would experience the same tendencies. I own CS knives in 100% VG-1 and in San Mai III VG-1, as well as in the AUS-8A versions, and I am a much bigger fan of the VG-1 version. My wife has a pure VG-1 Damascus kitchen knife set that can go 2-3 months between sharpening events. 5 minutes with a Fine stone brings them back to hair-shaving sharpness. When she experienced chipping, 5 minutes with a Medium stone and then 2 minutes with a Fine stone fixed all problems. With the amount of steel found in a CS offering, and based on their blade geometries and heat-treats, I don't think there will be much appreciable difference in combat performance between the two models. I think you got a great deal on a now-discontinued knife, and congratulate you on your purchase!
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Re:FINALLY GOT LUCKY! - Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:33 AM ( #21 )
Good information, thanks. I kinda got hung up on the Tanto's at first but this is a great knife(San Mai or not), will keep on the lookout for more good deals.

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