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Re:why no flippers? - Thursday, May 11, 2017 11:47 PM ( #31 )

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If you take self defense classes then your hands and feet would considered weapons and if you use them to protect yourself or family/friends then you are in trouble, right? How can anyone take the right to defend yourself and those you love, etc away in good conscience. Jail might be better than death or disabled or watching your family be harmed, I think. This is the way the world is going though, luckily I will probably be dead before it completely goes to hell for self protection(yea I am old!).
 


yes I am afraid that is the conundrum we live in here in Australia.


StevieB+ I have been thinking about this more and while you are right for the most part when it applies to Victorian law, but has little to do with the other states. I have looked into the legislation for my state and it does not mention (or imply about) tactical pens, either in regards to carriage or ownership. Besides like you have pointed out it is all about intent and how you structure your answers to the coppers if you are in the unenviable position of being caught in a bad situation. 

If caught and questioned by the coppers you know you don't have to answer any questions from the coppers other than your name, address and DOB, for anything else your answer should be 'with respect officer I don't have to answer that', this is even when in the cop station and you are being questioned formally. I had to undergo questioning once in the cop station and that is how I answered EVERY question for that interview, all without repercussions. Remember EVERYTHING you say will be used against you so the best policy is to ONLY say what is legally required (name, address and DOB) to and nothing else.


What about this Parker pen, it has all the characteristics of a 'tactical pen' (metal construction, pointy, could easily used as a weapon)


http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Parker-Jotter-GT-Ball-point-Pen-Gold-Trim-New-Blue-Ink-Stainless-steel-barrel-/122347546039?hash=item1c7c7b65b7:g:hzEAAOSwOgdYnAPe


Then there is the CS Pocket Shark, a plastic permanent marker (so not metal, and is rounded off with no 'pointy bits') clearly 'designed' to be a tactical pen which doesn't fit your criteria as a typical 'tactical pen.

But this is all OT and is derailing the thread, we should get back to the OP, so do you have an opinion on why CS doesn't make a flipper?
 


 As I said, tactical pens don't have to be implicitly banned - if they are judged to be a weapon and your state does not allow you to carry a weapon then you're in trouble. You are right about the fact that how you answer questions (or not answer) will play a big part in it - but if you have actually used a tac-pen in self-defense then both it and you will come in for some close scrutiny.


 Having said that: the Parker is most definitely a pen, not designed for offensive use and as such is a much better option than a tac-pen. Personally though if I wanted a "pocketstick" option then I'd go for something like this:



http://www.supercheapau...8139?menuFrom=2147483608



 An LED torch that clips to your belt. Legal and unsuspicious. Yes, it's made of plastic, but quite tough. Wrapping your hand around the LED end gives a comfortable and secure grip - leaving the narrow battery end protruding downward for hammer-fist strikes. I grant you it's not as devastating as a spike would be, but focussing all your impact onto a small area greatly enhances the effect. 
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Re:why no flippers? - Friday, May 12, 2017 12:37 AM ( #32 )
mate you are not getting it, I am not willing to argue the point further, and I reiterate But this is all OT and is derailing the thread, we should get back to the OP, so do you have an opinion on why CS doesn't make a flipper? 


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Re:why no flippers? - Saturday, May 13, 2017 5:18 PM ( #33 )
Wow Stevie B--you have actually turned your fellow Aussies against you!  Imagine how the rest of us folks feel ....
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Re:why no flippers? - Saturday, May 13, 2017 6:57 PM ( #34 )
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StevieB, WTF. Since you been hear Iv'e never heard you talk about cold steel knives just your umbrella and what can't be used to defend yourself.



I don't know jack about knives and I certainly can't carry one, so I can't contribute to those discussions. Self-defence is a subject that interests me - but as I've pointed out it's illegal to carry anything  in Oz. You posted that a "tactical pen" would be legal to carry - I'm pointing out that it's not.

I don't understand ???. If you know nothing about knives then why are you here.
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Re:why no flippers? - Sunday, May 14, 2017 12:52 AM ( #35 )
Waveman, you could always buy one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4xKWIPjihk   i can only dream, maybe someday LOL.
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Re:why no flippers? - Sunday, May 14, 2017 10:08 AM ( #36 )
A long-shot but maybe shoot them an Email and keep you fingers crossed!
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Re:why no flippers? - Sunday, May 14, 2017 2:39 PM ( #37 )
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Waveman, you could always buy one of these https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4xKWIPjihk   i can only dream, maybe someday LOL.



While I can appreciate the beauty of such a piece, to be honest it is not to my taste. I would go with a Rockstead (none are flippers though) long before I ever bought anything like that.


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Re:why no flippers? - Sunday, May 14, 2017 3:51 PM ( #38 )
Waveman, that's fair enough. The price alone is enough to put most people off and of course it's a knive that wouldn't be appealing to most people.
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