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wave man

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why no flippers? - Wednesday, April 19, 2017 1:13 AM ( #1 )
I have recently gotten into flipper folding knives and have fallen in love with these easy-to-deploy folding knives and was wondering why Cold Steel doesn't make a decent ball bearing pivot dedicated flipper? I realize that the Ti-Lite can act as a flipper but it doesn't compare to any of my Real Steel or Ruike (I have been focusing on buying from these two companies for folders) flippers for 'flipping action'. Flippers deploy far better (IMHO) than any thumb stud or 'hole in the blade' system, and in many cases deploy as fast, if not faster than many assisted openers (which are a banned import in Australia).
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Re:why no flippers? - Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:45 AM ( #2 )
I think the primary issue is interface with the Tri-Ad lock. It would require some interesting engineering for the flipper to pass next to/through the lockbar in order for the lock to work.

Of course, CS could jump into the world of frame/liner lock knives, but that market is already cornered to a certain degree. 



(However, Demko's new Scorpion Lock opens up a whole new world of possibilities...)

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Re:why no flippers? - Wednesday, April 19, 2017 9:36 AM ( #3 )
Love my TiLites, especially the aluminum handled 6". I just had to use it as club on a dog attacking me, luckily I did not have to deploy the blade and use it.The 4" Titanium Model is my usual EDC when not going for a walk.For my use anyway the TiLites are ideal. I also own 15-20 other Cold Steel Knives so I am covered for any eventuality.Good Luck with your quest.
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Re:why no flippers? - Wednesday, April 19, 2017 3:50 PM ( #4 )
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I think the primary issue is interface with the Tri-Ad lock. It would require some interesting engineering for the flipper to pass next to/through the lockbar in order for the lock to work.

Of course, CS could jump into the world of frame/liner lock knives, but that market is already cornered to a certain degree. 



(However, Demko's new Scorpion Lock opens up a whole new world of possibilities...)
 


after posting I thought about that, and upon thinking about it this is probably the reason (as in incompatibility with the Tri-ad lock)




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Re:why no flippers? - Friday, April 21, 2017 10:56 AM ( #5 )
The ball bearing pivot can get dirty very quick and stops working well. Teflon washers don't have that problem.
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Re:why no flippers? - Saturday, April 22, 2017 3:00 AM ( #6 )
agreed, though I have seen custom makers use a fully encased bearing system that eliminate this possibility, though the use of such a system obviously increases end price.


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  Cold Steel Knives I own.. 
Trail Master san maiIII, Master Hunter san maiIII, SRK aus-8, OSI aus-8, LTC kukri, Bushman, 12" bowie machete, Outdoorsman lite, Pendleton lite hunter, Pendleton mini hunter, Kobun, Scimitar Spike, Double Agent1, Super Edge, Roach Belly, Canadian Belt knife, 3x Kudu, 2xPocket shark, Ti-Lite 4", Trench hawk, Trail hawk, 2 Handed Katana Machete, Smatchet, Thai Machete 


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Re:why no flippers? - Saturday, April 22, 2017 6:57 PM ( #7 )
I don't know. I understand the appeal of flipper but they aren't my thing. I would like to see an option to add a wave feature to some of the thumb stud models.
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Re:why no flippers? - Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM ( #8 )
the wave function is IMO a very cool feature but from a practicality standpoint  they suck. I have found them to be destructive to your pants and can be uncomfortable to wear as they tend to pock you in the leg.


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Trail Master san maiIII, Master Hunter san maiIII, SRK aus-8, OSI aus-8, LTC kukri, Bushman, 12" bowie machete, Outdoorsman lite, Pendleton lite hunter, Pendleton mini hunter, Kobun, Scimitar Spike, Double Agent1, Super Edge, Roach Belly, Canadian Belt knife, 3x Kudu, 2xPocket shark, Ti-Lite 4", Trench hawk, Trail hawk, 2 Handed Katana Machete, Smatchet, Thai Machete 


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Re:why no flippers? - Sunday, April 23, 2017 5:35 PM ( #9 )
Interesting I don't actually own any CS wave knives so I never thought of discomfort for carry. I'll have to see if I can get my hands on one for a while to see how they ride for me.
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Re:why no flippers? - Monday, April 24, 2017 12:13 AM ( #10 )
I stopped EDC'ing my Ti-Lite as they did exactly what I described above, I have no such problems with my current EDC (RSK Megalodon E-801). Like I said, the concept is very cool, just not practical. I also had the Ti-Lite try to deploy (via the wave function catching on pocket contents) prematurally which wasn't ideal.
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  "At close quarters Cold Steel has a decisive edge"  Lynn Thompson
  "The difference between Citizen(free men) and Civilian(slave) is firearm ownership"  Wave man
  Cold Steel Knives I own.. 
Trail Master san maiIII, Master Hunter san maiIII, SRK aus-8, OSI aus-8, LTC kukri, Bushman, 12" bowie machete, Outdoorsman lite, Pendleton lite hunter, Pendleton mini hunter, Kobun, Scimitar Spike, Double Agent1, Super Edge, Roach Belly, Canadian Belt knife, 3x Kudu, 2xPocket shark, Ti-Lite 4", Trench hawk, Trail hawk, 2 Handed Katana Machete, Smatchet, Thai Machete 


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Re:why no flippers? - 1 day and 17 hrs. ago ( #11 )
I like the idea of a flipper but I don't think it's ever going to happen. I really like the wave feature on the talwar. TALWAR best edc IMO. Shame they discontinued it.

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