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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Friday, January 25, 2013 7:29 AM ( #31 )
Guns havn't stopped random road blocks that completely circumvent probable cause, and illegal search and seziure, guns have not stopped the US from having the most people in prison per capita in the world. Guns havn't stopped the breach of due process that occurs when people are spending 2 years in county jails awaiting trial. Guns didn't stop the patriot act, Guns didn't stop the law that passed recently that allows for monitoring what you look at on the internet....SO tell me when and what rights are guns protecting.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Friday, January 25, 2013 7:51 AM ( #32 )
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It is the responsible, educated, patriotic, principled, and well-trained gun owners
 


But that's the problem...there aren't nearly enough of those people anymore...over the years we've turned into a nation of morons (dumbing down of America) who can't be trusted with firearms.  All of our so-called technological and medical "progress" has basically just served to get around nature's "survival of the fittest" filter so that stupidity and ignorance propogate throughout society.  When shows like Honey Boo Boo are so popular, you know we're in trouble.
 
So you might think that I am anti-gun, but in fact I am a gun owner, and am actually looking to get a couple more.  But I have no problem with requiring background checks, safety courses, and waiting periods either.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Friday, January 25, 2013 9:45 AM ( #33 )
Sigh.   Dozer.  You do not need to 'join' a militia.  According to the law I just posted you ARE IN ONE. --Again..(a)The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age ..
The militia is THE PEOPLE.  "Joe Public" as you say.
As for the racist rant...You might look at JPFO--Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.   They consider the NRA a bit wimpy.
 
Warhammer--newsflash.  it is an imperfect world run by corrupt people.  To cite a bunch of things not prevented by guns tells you nothing about what has been prevented.   Like maybe the genocide practiced in many other countries during the 20th century.

"One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them."  Thomas Jefferson to George Washington. 1796 Psalms 144:1 Blessed be Jehovah my rock, Who teacheth my hands to war, And my fingers to fight:
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Friday, January 25, 2013 2:33 PM ( #34 )
Dude, have you seen the firepower the US gov. has, If they want to get genicidal, they wouldn't get much opposition. The majority of the Armed forces are abroad, and the gov has a massive merc army at their disposal. Besides that the Question was, what freedoms are guns protecting. It's always the same story, people blah blah blah about how they need guns to protect their rights, but they lack the courage and conviction to really use them. Me, I'm not going to pretend I'm going to stand up to the Gov with a rifle because that is absurd.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Friday, January 25, 2013 3:51 PM ( #35 )
A lot of that firepower is in OUR hands.  The people manning it are Americans.  Many of them are Patriots.  If the Government wants to "get genicidal" (sic) against American citizens they launch a war withIN the Military. 
The Regular Military Officers that fought for the American Revolution in the first place were Commissioned ENGLISH Officers.  They resigned their commissions in the British Army and were immediately RE-commissioned in the American Army.   
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:12 AM ( #36 )
Grip this.  






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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:37 PM ( #37 )
Aynn Rand was right.  We are living in the novel "Atlas Shrugged" and it's happening -now-.  Where is John Galt when you need him?              
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:48 PM ( #38 )
My priorities just shifted.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Sunday, January 27, 2013 11:54 PM ( #39 )
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Me, I'm not going to pretend I'm going to stand up to the Gov with a rifle because that is absurd.

especially at this day and age.I think people are overreacting and the "propaganda patriots"" just wish they had an excuse to use their toys(or is it representative of something else?).Its even stupider that texans want to seccede.why?to be a martyr to a political ideal and then have to deal with a new douche bag political leader.ugh...I think 2012 scare left a hole in the a holes peddling this scare mongering bull sh1t.

and for the record i'm no Obama supporter.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Monday, January 28, 2013 9:04 AM ( #40 )
Maybe not an Obama supporter, but you reveal yourself as anti-gun in general.  So no surprise you don't see a problem here.  That is not a criticism.  Merely an observation to understand where you are coming from.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Monday, January 28, 2013 9:40 AM ( #41 )
Any infringement upon Constitutional Rights needs to be challenged and challenged strongly and loudly. Be it any of them and the 2ND is no exception.

I would not say people are overreacting as from what I have seen, only those who yell or complain the loudest in this country are listened to.
If people are overreacting  to the gun bans then the same has to be said about those who are trying to pass them.
Gun bans have been tried here before and had no effect so trying the same thing yet again makes no sense and is in itself and overreaction.  

Our current Government is right now sending weapons and Tech to Egypt ( a country who's government is currently shooting it's own citizens for protesting it and that looks very likely that it will soon be anti American)  Yet here at home is trying to tell people what guns they can own.   
The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Monday, January 28, 2013 9:19 PM ( #42 )
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Maybe not an Obama supporter, but you reveal yourself as anti-gun in general.  So no surprise you don't see a problem here.  That is not a criticism.  Merely an observation to understand where you are coming from.

maybe I'm a bit abstract.All i'm saying is tinfoil hatters are kidding themselves if they think Hussein is going to burst in their doors with an eye patch and troopers reminiscent of the Nazi SS to take their weapons.there's SO MANY political views in the USA thats almost impossible.plus we have the NRA.i'm merely making fun of the panic.


No offense taken and wont be taken.debates are all about offending someone elses view in a rational-adult-way anyway.
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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:52 AM ( #43 )
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The Second Amendment was written in a simpler time, when the army used muskets and King George had tried to take the colonies' guns to avoid a revolution. It should not be usef to get Joe Public a full-auto AK. I would actually join a militia if I found one that didn't consist entirely of bigoted Republican anti-Federal Government White Supremacists. Every militia I find will let you join only if you're white, straight, non-Jewish and think Obama is Satan and George W. is Jesus.





I totally agree. Also the 1st should only apply to Protestant, Christian sects.... maybe catholics. (thats up to the SCOTUS to decide, really)  but none of this other athiest/buddhist/hindu nonsense!  Also freedom of speech should only apply to -quill pens, soap boxes, mega phones, and hand operated printing press.  Do you REALLY think the average person should be able to spread their ideas over something as powerful as the internet? Then just any Joe Public could reach thousands, even millions of people without government approval!


The 4th should only apply to your horse, your home, and wagon.  Cars, email, back packs made from synthetic materials, etc... not included.  It was a simpler time!




The fact is, its absolutely about putting military style weapons in the hands of the average citizen.


U.S. v. Miller (1939) specifically states that the 2nd amendment applies specifically to military weapons.

DC v. Heller (2008) states that the 2nd applies to self defense.

McDonald v. Chicago (2010) states that the 2nd limits state and local government to the same degree it limits the Federal government.


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Re:Good article-Get a grip!!! - Tuesday, January 29, 2013 1:55 AM ( #44 )
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http://www.natvan.com/n.../assorted/gunhitler.html Actually, Hitler didn't ban guns. Sorry to burst the bubble.





If you are going to link to a white supremacist website, please put a disclaimer on it.  I prefer not to frequent  pages filth like that.


Also, while it may or may not be accurate, I'm sure it has more than a little bit of bias.


edit to add: As a prolific miscegenator, a well known race-traitor, and part-time Jew-lover care to elaborate on how the government should tell me how to live my life? 
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