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THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Friday, December 07, 2012 12:09 AM ( #1 )
i just checked warrior and wonder and they got the cutlass machete and the viking axe 
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Friday, December 07, 2012 6:36 AM ( #2 )
That's great. The cutlass machete is one of the most innovative design and concept Cold Steel brought up in a while. 
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Tuesday, December 11, 2012 1:56 PM ( #3 )
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:09 PM ( #4 )
Yes very impressive.  Another one on my want list.   
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:37 AM ( #5 )
got my Cutlass machete from knifecenter but not very happy of it. It is a mix from a sword and a machete but, imho, not well done It is not a perfect blend from the two. I must say I prefer the Gladius and Katana machete
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:55 AM ( #6 )
I might want one!!
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Wednesday, January 09, 2013 11:04 PM ( #7 )
the cutlass machete is definitely tempting
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Friday, January 11, 2013 12:10 PM ( #8 )
I just got some in a few days ago but haven't gotten them up on the site yet. I have a few minor gripes about them but I think that as a whole they're well done and a good value.

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Friday, January 11, 2013 12:57 PM ( #9 )
42, any thoughts on the other new machetes and the viking axe?
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Friday, January 11, 2013 10:44 PM ( #10 )
No thoughts on the Viking Axe since it doesn't really fit the present positioning of my shop. The other of the newer machetes that I've gotten in is the Jungle Machete which is pretty darn well excellent. My largest complaint about both it and the Cutlass Machete is that the sharpening jobs are atrocious. Yes--they're sharper than a stock unsharpened model. But the bevels are uneven, sloppily matched at the base (often between 1/4" to 1" out of alignment!) and they have a massive burr left on them and are typically heavily over-ground at the base. Basically they need to to train their sharpening staff better. I'm sure they'll get better at it with time, but right now I'd actually rather the machetes come unsharpened like their base models because I can't fix steel that's already missing. Other than the sloppy grinding work I can't find much fault with the Jungle Machete. The Cutlass Machete could use distal taper (outside their manufacturing ability right now) and the handle should have a negative rather than positive relief angle to help counteract the predisposition of a curved blade to want to twist in the hand under its own weight.

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Saturday, January 12, 2013 6:26 PM ( #11 )
Sad to hear that about the cutlass' handle, but makes perfect sense. Thanks for pointing that out. I'd still like to get one, though. To me it appears to be the most interesting machete CS has come up with so far.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Sunday, January 13, 2013 6:32 AM ( #12 )
I have quite a few cs machetes not a single one of them came with an edge.The only one I have with a good edge is one that I got in trade and that is because the person I traded with sharpened it himself and did a great job of it
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:48 PM ( #13 )
  I don't know if I got lucky or not but my jungle machete came with an even edge on it.....not as sharp or thin as I would like, but a huge improvement over the useless “utility” edges that I got on the other CS machetes that I have. I got my jungle machete copier paper slicing sharp with just a few mins work with a smith's carbide V sharpener and phone book paper slicing sharp with a few more min. on the gray sharpmaker rods. I will probably go back and thin it out some on a belt grinder just because I like thinner edges, but for now, the edge is what I would consider good to go.


Now that the cutlass machete is finally becoming available, I need to get one!
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 14, 2013 12:23 PM ( #14 )
Yes--I definitely still enjoy the Cutlass Machete quite a bit and think it's a great value. I just wish I could bend the ear of their design team when it comes to their machetes BEFORE they invest the money in the plastics molds. No changing that puppy now! The problem is basically that the handle subtly continues to follow the same arc of curvature as the blade whereas I would have employed a slight curve in the opposite direction. This would improve both comfort and control. :) 


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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 21, 2013 4:51 PM ( #15 )
I just got a cutlass Machete, The edge was rugged but no big deal, I think it needs to be about 4 inches shorter. I don't mind doing it myself. Overall it is fine for the price
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Thursday, January 24, 2013 5:37 AM ( #16 )
By the way, they're absolutely brutal with the clip sharpened. :D

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Thursday, January 24, 2013 7:26 AM ( #17 )
I saw that you're doing that.  Really tempted.  I might have to see if I can afford to get that as I thin out my collection some.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Thursday, January 24, 2013 10:14 AM ( #18 )
It really improves the efficacy of it if you ask me. Makes for intense back slashes or circular thrusts. I think I'm gonna' need one for myself now, and it'll have that mod.

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Saturday, January 26, 2013 10:54 AM ( #19 )
I got mine recently, and used it yesterday for the first time. I'm disappointed. It feels even more front heavy than my French 1822 Light Cavalry Saber antique (which is your 1860 Heavy Cavalry Saber), while being 12 1/2" shorter!!! I tried to chop a 6" diameter tree with it, and most of the time it bounced badly, one time crushing my pinky inside the guard because of the violence of the bounce. I wanted to use it as a brush clearing tool, but because of the weight and momentum, it will be impossible, or only for a short amount of time. So as a weapon it may be OK, but as a tool... Well, still better than nothing at all, but I'm really desappointed.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 7:20 AM ( #20 )
You tried to chop through a 6" diameter tree with a machete?  That's your problem; you should have used an axe.  I'd restrict machetes to 3" diameter or less.  Brush clearing is not tree removal.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 7:56 AM ( #21 )
Wood is wood. Your concern regards efficiency. But it's not because an axe could be more efficient that a machete is not usable. A chainsaw is lot more efficient. But having a faithful slave to do the job is even more efficient: you just spend the energy to move the lips and give the order. And precisely, I had an axe. I'm just not an axe guy. It completly exhausts me, and I have zero precision on the chop. If I want to save energy, I'd rather take a saw. But what I wanted to do was not to chop a tree, but to test that Cutlass machete. That was my only point. And to use all that forward weight in a task where it's needed: chopping. And it did worst than I hoped it would. 

I'm not even sure it would even be a good brush clearing tool, because of that forward weight. If the traditionnal tool to chop trees is axe, the traditionnal tool to clean brush are, in France, billhooks, "croissants" and "coupe-ronces", where the inward curve gather the materials to cut, while the outward curve of the Cutlass chase them away:





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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 10:40 AM ( #22 )
That top one is a "blackberry hook" for brambles and the like, for those that don't know. :)

Madnumforce--I've not experienced that same issue that you have regarding shock or bouncing. However, you may be employing it differently than I. What kind of a stroke are you using? A sword stroke is in most cases different from a machete stroke. A machete makes use of a rolling snap that "throws" the forward mass of the blade, and if it were to balance any closer to the hilt its ability to handle woody targets would be massively diminished. It should do just fine for brush clearing tasks.

Baeleg--Chopping wood should be no challenge for a machete as a general rule, but definitely there are some patterns and models that are better suited for it and others less so. I've taken out trees larger than 6" before with machetes before without too much effort. The Cutlass Machete is not the pattern I'd choose, though, if given an option.

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 11:55 AM ( #23 )
Thanks for the input, 42B, I was wondering if that tool existed in UK/US, and what name it could have then. But in fact, the french name "coupe-ronce" has just about the same meaning. "Ronce" is the word we use for the plant itself (while, if I understand well, "blackberry" is just the fruit, right?), and "coupe" is just "cut".

In fact, I wasn't using much of that snap effect. I guess I'm really a saw and billhook guy. But next time, I'll try to remember and focus on the snap effect. No doubt that whatever the technique, it should do fine for small diameter rigid stems rising vertically or light delimbing.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 12:32 PM ( #24 )
I've never used a machete for heavy duty chopping, just brush and de-limbing.  I figured they weren't well suited to the task.  Guess I'm wrong.    Sorry Madnumforce.


I'd guess something like the two handed machete for serious chopping? (shouldn't they re-name that one the two handed heavy, now that they have multiple two handers?).


I'm betting my HTC Kukri could chop down a tree too.


I was more interested in the Cutlass as a cheap messer/dussack substitute.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 1:05 PM ( #25 )
No offense taken Baeleg! On the other hand I was using a wrong technique, so it wasn't well suited for the task the way I used it.

Personnally, I feel the Cutlass machete is more weapon-oriented than tool-oriented, so as a dussack substitute, it should do fine. It's still really tip-heavy though, compared to any saber I own.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 1:44 PM ( #26 )
Maybe I'll have to drill out the bottom a bit and add some lead then.  Is there room to do so?
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 2:49 PM ( #27 )
I thought of such a solution. But CS says the D-guard has a metal structure, so it's logical to think it's going somewhere, maybe welded on some kind of tang. At the bottom there's a lanyard hole, and I couldn't swear, but I see a different light reflection inside that hole that could  be a sort of full tang. But if you avoid drilling into that tang, there's plenty of room on the sides of it, as the blade thickness is 3mm, and the handle thickness about 22mm thick. Another solution could be to use the lanyard hole to secure a counterweight with a bolt or pin.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 3:39 PM ( #28 )

I wouldn't be surprised if the whole thing was punched out of a hot rolled sheet and then heat treated, so the guard would be integral to the blade.  Then they'd just have to injection mold the handles on and establish the edge.

Sounds like I could drill holes on either side of it and put weights in that way.  Sounds good.  I figure I wouldn't want to add too much, just enough to pull the balance in a bit.
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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 7:06 PM ( #29 )
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Thanks for the input, 42B, I was wondering if that tool existed in UK/US, and what name it could have then. But in fact, the french name "coupe-ronce" has just about the same meaning. "Ronce" is the word we use for the plant itself (while, if I understand well, "blackberry" is just the fruit, right?), and "coupe" is just "cut".

In fact, I wasn't using much of that snap effect. I guess I'm really a saw and billhook guy. But next time, I'll try to remember and focus on the snap effect. No doubt that whatever the technique, it should do fine for small diameter rigid stems rising vertically or light delimbing.



Blackberry in this case is an abbreviation for "blackberry bush" so yes, it's basically the same name. :) I'm quite a big fan of billhooks myself and wish that they were better known in the USA. They're actually rather difficult to get here, and in limited variety. 


As far as the snap of the machete-style cut goes it's very similar to the pumping squeeze and arm extension that you use with a sport fencing saber. You mostly grip the handle with the forefinger and thumb and "throw" the mass of the blade at the target. 

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I've never used a machete for heavy duty chopping, just brush and de-limbing.  I figured they weren't well suited to the task.  Guess I'm wrong.    Sorry Madnumforce.


I'd guess something like the two handed machete for serious chopping? (shouldn't they re-name that one the two handed heavy, now that they have multiple two handers?).


I'm betting my HTC Kukri could chop down a tree too.


I was more interested in the Cutlass as a cheap messer/dussack substitute.



No need for two hands! Just need a suitably mass-forward heavier patter, which CS doesn't really make. All their models are either short or two handed, and I suspect that it has something to do both with the community's repeated cries for "thicker blade stock!" and the inability of Lasher to produce machetes with distal taper. I think that the call for thicker blades is largely an uninformed one. Thicker is SOMETIMES more appropriate for a given design but usually performance is better increased with intelligent mass distribution and a WIDER blade at the sweet spot. A good example of a heavy-hitting thin machete is the Condor Viking, which has a blade only 3/32" thick but a long blade (20") with a large sweet spot located at the end of the blade. 

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Re:THE CUTLASS IS AVAILABLE, and others model too - Monday, January 28, 2013 7:07 PM ( #30 )
Oh yeah--and the blade/guard of the Cutlass Machete is stamped from a single piece, so you're correct there.

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