How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ?

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How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:12 PM
I am seriously looking at an ODA, but I want to make sure that Krupps steel will hold a sharp edge and retain it if used. What do you guys think?

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 6:43 PM
I think this is now the second time this has been asked here, it is fine stuff.  I have a few knives in the steel and it takes and holds an edge fine.  I like AUS8A best but 4116 Krupp is a close second.  I am also not sure why folks agonize over this stuff.  If Cold Steel is using it, it is likely to be pretty good stuff. 

The only steel I am having any issues with is the VG-1 and those are personal, it holds its edge really well but once dull it is nearly impossible to resharpen since it is so hard.  All the other steels used over the years I don't have any trouble with at all.


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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:24 PM
Oh, sorry for the repeated question. Thanks for the answer.

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 7:59 PM
Krupp seems okay. I've handled a couple CS knives with Krupp. Looks like they hold real sharp edges.


Also, I wouldn't use anything with Krupp. They collaborated with and had many contracts with the Nazi Party. They used 'non-Aryans' in slave labour because they were 'sub-human'. They made billions off the Nazi regime's quest to exterminate and conquer. Maybe its ridiculous to you, but its reason enough for me to not touch a thing with Krupp steel in it.




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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:42 PM
ak74auto


Oh, sorry for the repeated question. Thanks for the answer.


Not a problem really and I am sorry that came off the way it did, I don't mind answering the question as many times as it comes up.  In fact, the more tmes I amswer it, the better I get at answering it.  My comment was meant only as my way of wondering wht there was the sudden doubt in this steel, no more than that.


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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:18 PM
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ak74auto


Oh, sorry for the repeated question. Thanks for the answer.


Not a problem really and I am sorry that came off the way it did, I don't mind answering the question as many times as it comes up.  In fact, the more tmes I amswer it, the better I get at answering it.  My comment was meant only as my way of wondering wht there was the sudden doubt in this steel, no more than that.


My question was more out of curiousity than doubt.  I own a CS PD in Krupps, but that knife will most likely never see real use of any sort.
 
 
 FYI, I did try to search the fixed blade archives for an answer on Krupps steel, but nothing that answered my question came up. I may need to refine my questions in the future though.

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:33 PM
Doktor

Also, I wouldn't use anything with Krupp. They collaborated with and had many contracts with the Nazi Party. They used 'non-Aryans' in slave labour because they were 'sub-human'. They made billions off the Nazi regime's quest to exterminate and conquer. Maybe its ridiculous to you, but its reason enough for me to not touch a thing with Krupp steel in it.


Wow. I never knew this.

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 9:44 PM
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Doktor

Also, I wouldn't use anything with Krupp. They collaborated with and had many contracts with the Nazi Party. They used 'non-Aryans' in slave labour because they were 'sub-human'. They made billions off the Nazi regime's quest to exterminate and conquer. Maybe its ridiculous to you, but its reason enough for me to not touch a thing with Krupp steel in it.


Wow. I never knew this.


Yeah, the head of Krupp at the time was a major Nazi supporter. Its all very well documented. For a quick reference check wikipedia for Krupp. There is detailed accounts of Krupp manufacturing and use of slave labour for the Nazi government. Sources are there too. In any case, I'm not hating on anyone who likes Krupp, just that I'd prefer not using it. I think they may have payed compensation to families of those who were used as slaves.

I am also aware that they DO do provide humanitarian aid currently with various projects.



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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:24 PM
AUS-8 is better than Krupp 4116 and AUS-8 is roughly equivalent to 440B. I have lots of CS knives, none in 4116. I wish CS would make their 4116 knives in 1095 or A-2
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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:09 AM
Well, all you need to do is read about Krupp Steel here in the Wikipedia to get a good overview of their past.

I am also no going to punish them for their past misdeeds.  Unless they show no repentance.  Krupp shows that they are not at all proud of what was done then, so I do not bear them any ill will.  I am sure the good Doktor knows  that a lot of companies did  lot of things then that they wish now they had not done.  You do what you need to do to survive, and sometimes that is not the best or right thing to do.  If I was going to punish every large company there is now that has ever done any really bad thing to get where they are today, I would not buy much of anything at all.

I am far more concerned with how a company acts in the present.  Companies that seem unable or unwilling to change for the better or that stick their noses into things they should really steer clear of, those are the ones I try to punish by not patronizing.  Companies like McDonalds and organizations like AARP that are at odds with how I feel the Second Amendment is read for instance, I do not patronize.  I am nearing AARP age and I will tell you that I would die a pauper before I saved a dime by being a member of theirs.  I haven't been into a McDonalds for decades.  Anyone with a gun who goes to their restaurants is a fool.

As a Christian, I am asked to forgive those who seek forgiveness.  To do otherwise it to risk having my same unforgiving nature turned against me come the day I am Judged.  Not going to say I am a saint and that I always do this but I am not going to punish a company like Krupp when they seem at least to be asking folks to forgive them.  IN any case, I really don't have that many knives with Krupp steel in them.  As I said the only type of steel I really try to avoid is the VG-1 and only for the reasons I mentioned before, not because it is something that I think will fail or chip etc.

AK74Auto, again I ask that you forgive me since it seems I have made you feel like this question should not have been asked.  That was truly not the way I meant it at all and I suppose that in the future I will not say anything at all since there are too many who misunderstand and seem to feel I am trying to be harsh.  If that really were the case, it wold be crystal clear that i was what I meant.


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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:16 AM
i think 4116 and aus8a are both good steels.  i prefer aus8a a bit more, but the blades i do own in 4116 sharpen up easily and keep an edge for a good while.  mostly, the ones i have in krupp are used for food prep. 
            

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 11:27 AM
I'm planning on getting as many knives with the Krupp steel as possible.

As for companies past transgressions, there are thousands of Mitsubishi automobiles on the road in this country. It was also the Mitsubishi Zero that bombed Pearl Harbor. 

You could probably trace the history of a lot of American companies and find atrocities in their background as well. 


My ancestors are from England and there's a good chance they were slave owners. should people with African ancestry hate me for that?

Boycott who you want. I'm not going to hold against one generation what a previous one did if they show no signs of similar behavior. 

But, to GBOT, Krupp Is Kool


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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 3:52 PM
"In 1951, Adenauer acknowledged that "unspeakable crimes were perpetrated in the name of the German people, which impose upon them the obligation to make moral and material amends." Negotiations with the Claims Conference resulted in the Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany. IG Farben, Siemens, Krupp, AEG, Telefunken, and Rheinmetall separately provided compensation to Jewish slave laborers, but Alfried refused to consider compensation to non-Jewish slave laborers."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp


Sounds like they should make amends for their transgressions to non-Jewish slave laborers as well.  Looks like No Krupp for me until they do.

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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 4:10 PM
I too have the ODA in 4116 Kurpp. I like it as much as my OSS in ASU8A.
I can not find a thing wrong with that steel.  The edge on my Roach Bellys and Finn Bears are great too and stand up to a lot. Each steel that is used for Cold Steel knives is chosen for a task the knife was built for. for example you don't want to use the OSS to pop opne wooden ammo crated leave that to the S R K Recon Tanto or the Recon Scout or bigger.  Sure you can pry a crate with  Peace Keeper (420) Once.
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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:29 PM
my canadian belt knife does alot of tasks in the kitchen. it holds an edge well and is one my of favorite kitchen knives. 4116 isnt a bad steel at all, but like others have already said, aus8 is better
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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 6:47 PM
I too am a Christian, and forgive those who seek it. I was sent an AARP form years ago and atached along with their torn up card articles about their anti gun activities and kindly told them go peddle their fish else ware and never contact me again. McDonald's has been on my no go list along with many other anti gun companies.  That is why I will never own a ford. or watch PBS/BS TV.  I had a list if I can dig it up should I post it even though it's guns and not knives?
I have a better idea, if you are interested just IM me and I'll give you the list in the IM or email me if that is better for you
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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 7:03 PM
I also found this too:

http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?searchword=anti+knife&option=com_search&Itemid=
 
http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
 
To any of the mods feel free to move this if is in the wrong place or please make it sticky.
 
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Re:How does Krupps 4116 steel compare to AUS 8 ? - Wednesday, September 23, 2009 8:21 PM
I also try to avoid giving any support to anti-gun rights groups or individuals.

http://www.nraila.org/I...ctSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15


I didn't know about krupp's nazi past until I read the link and that they refused to even consider making amends with all of the non-Jewish slave laborers.....just doesn't sit right with me, but I am biased having had family members murdered by the nazis. 


I believe in forgiveness, but they need make amends as much as possible first.