USA Made and Carbon V Steel

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wildjim
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USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 5:55 AM
I have found a source to buy some older USA made Carbon V steel knives and I have some questions.
 
What years were the Cold Steel knives made in USA?
 
Who made the USA Cold Steel knives?  Camillus?
 
What is the opinions of Carbon V steel knives good or bad?
 
I have found a few Master Hunter, SRK, Kukri, and OSI type knives and need some information before I decide purchase them.
 
Thank You. . . 

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:01 AM
I don't know the timeframe, others will be able to help out more. Carbon V was made by Camillus exclusively.
Many hold Carbon V sacred, I have two knives in that steel but I don't see what is so much better than the present SK-5. Granted, they've not been through extensive use and still have their factory edge, but I fail to see why it's regarded as the grail of steels by some.
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:35 AM
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I don't know the timeframe, others will be able to help out more. Carbon V was made by Camillus exclusively.
Many hold Carbon V sacred, I have two knives in that steel but I don't see what is so much better than the present SK-5. Granted, they've not been through extensive use and still have their factory edge, but I fail to see why it's regarded as the grail of steels by some.


Seems a good deal at about $15 each so I'll jump on it and hope for the best (sacred holy grail steel)  : )

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:45 AM
wildjim as long as you dont have to pay an arm and leg over the retail price they used to go for (a pinky should do), i see no reason not to snag those carbon v goodies.  while i think carbon v is good steel, my experience with it doesnt suggest that it is a super steel capable of cutting superman.  i like my carbon v blade, but prefer aus8a in all honesty.  im sure you will get differing opinions, but i feel that the current items CS offers in different steels are just as good as the older carbon v versions.  best of luck!
            

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 7:42 AM
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wildjim as long as you dont have to pay an arm and leg over the retail price they used to go for (a pinky should do), i see no reason not to snag those carbon v goodies.  while i think carbon v is good steel, my experience with it doesnt suggest that it is a super steel capable of cutting superman.  i like my carbon v blade, but prefer aus8a in all honesty.  im sure you will get differing opinions, but i feel that the current items CS offers in different steels are just as good as the older carbon v versions.  best of luck!


I remember reading that the Kukri in carbon V was desirable and that is one I can get. I ordered two master hunters, two SRKs and a Kukri for about $15 each from a local supplier going out of business with some old Camillus stock I assume. I'll post some pictures of the treasure when I get it. Maybe if they are a good deal I'll buy the whole lot. I've wanted the Master Hunter but purchased the Pendleton Hunter earlier this year instead. The Pendleton Hunter is a favorite knife of mine, great design.   

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:37 AM
yeah, those are great prices.  ive heard the same thing about the kukri.  is it an LTC? 
            

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:47 AM
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yeah, those are great prices.  ive heard the same thing about the kukri.  is it an LTC? 


I do not know if its an LTC?  What are the differences?  I assume the LTC is in between the Kukri machete and Kukri knife models?

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:56 AM
I saw some similar deals on ebay the other day, but I am skeptical as to the exact origin of these blades since they all had the logo's and names ground off of the blade. I did a little checking of my carbon V blades and asked someone else (thanks Warty) who has one of the knives in the listing and they all have the logo stamped into the blade. Mine are deep enough that it would take a significant amount of grinding to remove. With that in mind I decided to pass on what may or may not be a good deal.
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:57 AM
I thought Carbon V was exceptional but AUS 8 is a personal favorite.  I believe it is the treatment and tempering of a steel that determines a blade's quality.  A great steel can be ruined or a fair steel can be turned into a very serviceable blade depending on the skill of the producer.  My experience suggests that CS invariably assures a quality treatment regardless of steel.

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:40 AM
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I do not know if its an LTC?  What are the differences?  I assume the LTC is in between the Kukri machete and Kukri knife models?


the LTC kukri looks very similar to the way the current kukri machete looks.  has that fat recurve.  obviously the LTC would be thicker and have better steel and heat treatment.  but thatll give you the visual you need to determine whether or not its an LTC. 
            

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:05 AM
Here are a couple of pix of the only two Carbon V fixed blades I have, maybe this will help you some...


Shows the way the words are stamped, sorry, hard to see really but it is a hard picture to take too.



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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 10:23 AM
 i dont know if carbon v is superior to sk5, but they are at least equals. ive used both extensively in the wild and neither one has let me down.
when comparing carbon v to aus8, ive found i like the carbon v better. at least, it seems to hold an edge longer
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Wednesday, August 26, 2009 4:27 PM
Carbon V was a great high carbon steel in the early 1980's. Back then as far as production knives went the only thing that came close was D2 from a custom maker or SK-5 from SOG. IIRC Custom knife maker Wane Goddard sent out a Carbon V for metalurgical analysis and found it to be a modified form of 52100 steel, but I could be wrong.
 
I believe Carbon V was in production from some time during the first 1/2 of the 1980's to late 2006 early 2007.
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Thursday, August 27, 2009 4:42 AM
Seem like a good deal on carbon V steel. I got seven knives, 2 SRK, 2 Master Hunter, 2 UWK, and a KuKri LTC?
 
I should have then sorted and sharpened by Saturday : )
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Thursday, August 27, 2009 7:17 AM
I like it because it's not brittle and it sharpens up real quick.
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Friday, August 28, 2009 7:25 PM
Camillus removed the Cold Steel markings : (  But they'll be some great camping knives at $15 each.
 
I wanted the Master Hunter and now I have two  : )
 
I really like the Kukri LTC, its about twice as thick as the Kukri machete, nice.
 
Also I got a another Browning Crowell Barker.  I wish Cold Steel would make a chopper like this.
 
 
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Friday, August 28, 2009 7:47 PM
You're lucky, dude...

For $15 each I'd buy a bunch of those. Are they still available? If so, where?

Thanks, and enjoy your new CS knives! :D

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Friday, August 28, 2009 7:59 PM
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You're lucky, dude...

For $15 each I'd buy a bunch of those. Are they still available? If so, where?

Thanks, and enjoy your new CS knives! :D

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I purchased two each of the SRK, Master Hunter and UWK. The source is sold out but others maybe selling them on Ebay?
 
They'll be great utility knives for me. 

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Monday, August 31, 2009 6:17 AM
you made out like a bandit there, wildjim.  congratz.  let us know how that LTC kukri chops!  ive always thought it would be a beast. 
            

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USA Camillus Carbon V II - Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:07 AM
I got (ordered) a few more Camillus Cold Steel Carbon V knives, probably the last of the old stock  : (
 
Two OYABUN 9 inch Tanto!
 
One OSS : )
 
I also ordered another Rifleman's Hawk and a Wetterlings small axe
 
I'm getting ready for some Fall camping : )
 
I'll post some photos later this week when they arrive. 

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Tuesday, September 01, 2009 5:16 AM
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you made out like a bandit there, wildjim.  congratz.  let us know how that LTC kukri chops!  ive always thought it would be a beast. 

 
I can't wait to try the Kukri LTC its a double thick Kukri machete in carbon v. I sharpened it and its razor sharp, it should be an awesome chopper!
 
I don't like the way Camillus groung the name off but I guess it has to be and for $15 each I can't complain, like you say I feel like a bandit  : )
 
I post another thread since I ordered a few more but the Kukri LTC is gone forever already : (  I should've bought them all when I had the chance. Although I am sure I have a life time supply now ; )


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Re:USA Camillus Carbon V II - Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:07 AM
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I got (ordered) a few more Camillus Cold Steel Carbon V knives, probably the last of the old stock  : (
 
Two OYABUN 9 inch Tanto!
 
One OSS : )
 
I also ordered another Rifleman's Hawk and a Wetterlings small axe
 
I'm getting ready for some Fall camping : )
 
I'll post some photos later this week when they arrive. 


oops, i merged these threads before i read your message above this one.  its cool though.  we can use this thread for all your pics.  im interested to hear how you like those oyabuns!  i'll be looking forward to your pics y assesments. 
            

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Friday, September 04, 2009 7:29 PM
Got some more stuff : )
 
Wetterlings 16H axe
 
Cold Steel Rifleman's Hawk
 
Cold Steel OYABUN (2) Camillus Made in USA Carbon V Blade
 
Cold Steel OSS Camillus Made in USA Carbon V Blade
 
I also purchased a Paper Wheel Sharpening System, I'll pickup a dedicated bench buffer tomorrow ; )  
  
 
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:55 PM
Did they grind off the Carbon V marking or just the "Cold Steel"?

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Sunday, September 06, 2009 12:11 AM
They tried to remove anything that identified Cold Steel which includes carbon v or knife name. They didn't try to make it pretty either. It doesn't affect the function. I can see some of the descriptions on a few of the knives. 
 

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:46 PM
WildJim do you still have any access to the older cold steel carbon v knives?? If so I am really interested because I want a new SRK if I can get one and a new UWK. Feel free to email me phelps76@embarqmail.com

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Monday, September 14, 2009 9:06 AM
Mike had said on here that those knives where rejects. I think ther is a difference between a reject knife and a factory Second.  Coin toss I guess.  If I'm wrong on this and it's just diffrent wording please let me know.
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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Monday, September 14, 2009 9:17 AM
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WildJim do you still have any access to the older cold steel carbon v knives?? If so I am really interested because I want a new SRK if I can get one and a new UWK. Feel free to email me phelps76@embarqmail.com

 
The source I have is out of stock and probably forever.
 
May be some others selling on ebay?
 
I believe the current SRK is a better knife as I have two versions now (AUS8 and Carbon V) That I do not think Camillus Carbon V was a great loss considering what's available now.

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Re:USA Made and Carbon V Steel - Monday, September 14, 2009 9:22 AM
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Mike had said on here that those knives where rejects. I think ther is a difference between a reject knife and a factory Second.  Coin toss I guess.  If I'm wrong on this and it's just diffrent wording please let me know.

 
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I actually have the Camillus old stock from the source, sold as new with the name ground off and the only blemish I see is the grinding off of the name at the ricasso.