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VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 1:35 PM
I used to be a real fan of VG-1, certainly I preferred it over AUS-8. But I now have two folders that have chips in the blade.
The X2 I can sort of blame myself, I used it for some pretty heavy cutting (still only plant material but tough), but now my Tanto has about 5 small chips in the blade, and the worst I did was cut cardboard. I am coming around to AUS-8, I've cut electric wires, thick plastic bottles and even pried open a cellphone and the Black Rock Hunter is fine. Anyone else have any experiences that point to VG-1 being a bit brittle? Thinking back I realize what I did with the X2 was not abusive in any way...

I also think that that is the reason why some of the high-end CS folders get AUS-8 and not VG-1. I think CS is aware of this. I won't be buying anymore VG-1 folders. I would like to see 154CM or maybe even S30V? Surely with CS' proven quality heat treatment, they would do better as far as toughness is concerned.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 2:26 PM
I've also noticed a small chip in my 4" Voyager (Will not affect performance at all, But its still there) I'm not sure if I hit it on something hard, or if it was some kind of a freak sharpening accident (Not very good at that yet).

Of topic, yet relevant to my post: Does anyone have any tips for sharpening a 4" Voyager?  I've got a steel, Whet stone and a leather strap.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 2:34 PM
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 4:42 PM
Well, I have always like AUS8A better so I guess I amOK...

I only have a couple of Voyagers in VG-1 and the TaiPan has it on the edge so the problem will be there for it too...
That was why I was originally searching for the older Tai Pan in AUS 8A...


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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 6:07 PM
My voyager has a couple chips in it. One was on cutting edge but i managed to file it down enough to fix it, but not effect the preformance.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 7:30 PM
You know, I suspected this.

There has been a lot of talk about VG-1 vs. AUS-8 lately on the forums. I used to be a VG-1 guy because I thought "well its more work to get a edge on it, but its a harder blade so it will hold the edge longer and be stronger". Well (I think it was warthog who got me thinking on this): Harder =/= Stronger. Harder = harder. I think that AUS-8 has more give in it, and while it is softer, its more durable because I doubt it will be chipping. Hardness in blades like this seems to mean more brittle as well. When I can afford to, I am getting my Scimitar in AUS-8 if I can still find some (I know of 2 places that has them right now, but I don't know what the stock is like). I had a voyager as an EDC for a while, but it didn't see a ton of action, nor did my AUS-8 black rock, and my old VG-1 Scimitar same store. Mainly because they were all rotated enough that they weren't used day in and day out all day every day. Thats to job of my Krupp steel Kudu which I use exclusively for EDC because its cheap with a big bowie blade, and I really like the Krupp, which I think is closer to the AUS-8 than the VG-1.

I am still sceptical that VG-1 is the upgrade that CS says it is, considering that as philwar said, and I have said before: the high end folders, are all AUS-8 or San Mai. I think this is partly because many of them are larger and because the chipping problem is probably made way worse by it being a bigger blade. I'm not saying that AUS-8 is invincible, as it can no doubt be broken too, but since its softer, logic seems to point to the fact that its less a danger for chipping, cracking or even breaking. However I don't think its too soft either because if you look at that needle point on a scimitar fly though a car hood (on the proof videos, which is an AUS-8 version) and not be bent at all, thats pretty freaking good! I'm a AUS-8 convert now too.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 8:05 PM
In the end, we are really seeing this on a few knives...

My opinion on AUS8A is based on the fact that I am familiar with it.  There is also something to jumping to conclusions with too little information on which to base them.  Until I see this as a really big problem, I am not likely to allow it to make up my mind about things.

I do think that the VG-1 is hard to sharpen once it gets dull.  I don't necessarily equate this to it being brittle and easy to chip.
Wild accusations based on a few knives out of THOUSANDS?  I will need a bit more than this to say that this is a rule to live by...

I have a bit more of a scientific approach to the thing though.
I need to see a sample group and some solid testing before I jump to a conclusion.
Testing a single knife made from VG-1 is not going to change my mind.


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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 8:09 PM
I plan to get a vg-1 voyager sometime this month, I hear good, and bad things about everything. I managed to knock a chunk out of the massive 19oz pro-flight thrower so I guess you can chip anything eh? well thats being thrown, but still not abuse.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 8:33 PM
Hmm, didn't know VG-1 was so brittle. This is starting to make me feel like the Rc of VG-1 is probably around 59 to 60.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 9:13 PM
Don't get me wrong here, VG-1 is a good enough steel. I have a voyager in VG-1 and its a good knife, especially for the money. However I just think AUS-8 is the better steel. I suspect that it has been lost on some knives due to costs, available materials to the production line etc.

I think the ideal is a combination. I think this might be part of the idea with San Mai III. I don't know what the conditions would have to be to break a VG-1 folder, but I do think it would do so more easily than AUS-8 but thats simply because its more rigid. There are advantages VG-1 and AUS-8. However for my money, I prefer the AUS-8. Cold Steel does not seem like a company to pan off an inferior steel to us. And its been around a while. We haven't seen tons of people saying their knives have been chipping etc. And IF this were the case, I am sure Cold Steel would switch it because a) all the replacements they would have to hand out, and b) because they are the kind of company that realizes that quality comes above all.

Sarafan, you should get a VG-1 voyager. They are good knives!
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Monday, August 10, 2009 10:02 PM
Im a fan of AUS-8A
But that's easy when I don't own anything in VG-1.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 12:40 AM
I certainly don't think VG-1 is inferior, it holds a very bright edge for a very long time. But (in my experience) it doesn't do well cutting slightly tougher stuff, and I don't like chips in my blades, they're too hard to repair for me and I'm too much of a perfectionist to leave them.
So I will limit my CS knives to the other steels CS offers.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:09 AM
Well...it's the classic compromise, toughness or hardness. I don't mind maintaining a softer edge myself - but interestingly this has a bit of a crossover to your other thread Philwar, the Warriors Edge one.

As you say in that thread (repeating LCT), a self defense blade should ideally not be used to cut anything until the time comes to use it in combat - in this scenario i would prefer VG-1, even if it is prone to chipping, as it will have that razor-like edge when I need it.

Now I don't keep track of all the steels CS use in all their knives, but is there a trend where VG-1 is used in the more 'martially' orientated blades?
This would make a lot of sense, with VG-1 not being for utility EDC but for defense.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:19 AM
Heh. In that thread I just posted that I use my BRH for utility and the Tanto Voyager for SD. That kills two birds with one stone.
But it doesn't change the fact that Voyagers are in fact more utility than tactical, of all blades, and they have the hardest steel of all.

As far as a trend is concerned, I see the opposite of what you suggest. All the more tactically oriented folders have AUS-8A, and the worker folders have VG-1 (Voyager, Gunsite, Ultimate Hunter). Exceptions are the BRH and the PB.
There's also a few small fixed blades that have VG-1, which makes sense 'cause they might be used as hunting knives, where edge retention is the main criterion. But in most, either AUS-8A or Krupp is used, and these are either defensive blades (neckknives) or hunting - well suited for VG-1 you would think?

I must be missing something.

On Bladeforums I've been reading old threads about CS using 420 type steel. They stopped doing that a while ago, dunno what they replaced it with (Krupp? AUS-8?) but perhaps it's time VG-1 goes the way of 420... VG-1 is sold as a high-end steel, and it probably is. But for EDC/utility even the cheaper Krupp is preferable for me.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:17 AM
I wouldn't want VG-1 to go away personally. The only VG-1 blade I own is my Master Hunter and I would like to get more VG-1 myself. But VG-1 I think has been in Cold Steel's line longer than any of the other steels they currently produce. That being said, it is a good steel, and significantly better than 420 in my oppinion. They probably got rid of 420 because its not good at all at edge retention. 4116 krupp on the other hand has pretty good edge retention and does not chip very easily and therefore makes a better steel than 420, even though 420 will very rarely chip as well. Another thing to add is all the San Mai III blades use VG-1 as their core steel, to get rid of VG-1 would be to get rid of all the San Mai blades as well, and I wouldn't want to see that happen myself.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:40 AM
i havent noticed any chipping in my vg1 blades, but i must admit i do not use them as hard as i use other knives.  my fully serrated XL Vaquero has seen the most action of them all cutting through mountains of plastic bottles, milk cartons, cardboard, twine, rope, tape, etc.  and remains spotless.  it sharpens up quicker and easier than my other vg1 blades as well.  my scimitar has seen utility work, but nothing that would chip the blade, and my new XL Voyager is the same.  i havent really used it much, but dont see myself chopping through any vegetation with it.  or cutting off fish heads although we know that can be done (thanks unsung)  ;)  i use my aus8a and krupp blades a bit more when it comes down to it, but i dont have any plans of avoiding vg1. 
            

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 10:10 AM
Its an interesting point about the VG-1 being for utility and the AUS-8 for tactical. However the Scimitar is for sure tactical and its got VG-1.

Here is a question, look at the bend test on this fixed blade, do you think if it was made of VG-1 it could do this?:

http://www.coldsteel.com/oss.html

Looks like this was a carbon steel version though, and the knife is now made of AUS-8...would either AUS-8 or VG-1 stand up to this test?
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:05 AM
Hard to say. But in the Cold Steel DVD they do put the VG-1 folding knives through the flex test. I think it was the Gunsite and the Voyagers they put through the flex test and they bent pretty far for a folding knife. You could see the steel bend and the pivot point stayed pretty sturdy. That really impressed me.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:47 AM
What about AUS-8 anybody know if they can do the flex test and pass?
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:40 PM
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What about AUS-8 anybody know if they can do the flex test and pass?

 
I don't think the last dvd had any flex tests with AUS 8A but the new DVD Cold Steel is making will probably have lots of AUS 8A flex tests in it because of the Recon Tanto, SRK, OSS, OSI, etc.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Tuesday, August 11, 2009 4:12 PM
The steel(s) Cold Steel uses....

More likeley they switch to Krupp 4116 due to increaced production costs of 420 stainless. Raw materials here in the USA have dramatically increaced in the last few years and as the prices have remaind relitivly simmilar from year to year, I think in this instance a less expensive steel was brought in for some of the new knives.

I am not positive but I think AUS-8A has been the longest used Stainless steel CS has used.

Also, as for the steels used, they are all imported/made outside of the USA. Again prodution cost related. If I could buy a simmilar steel to one my customers liked for less and was able to keep the cost close to or the same, I would.

I specifically recall talking with Lynn about the price increacing just before the VG-1 appeared in the Catalogue. This would also be around the time he was looking for a new maker for Carbon V knives( not the steel but some company to take over the prodution of the model(s) with a different steel).

I think the Voyagers went up about 8-10 dollars each when the VG-1 first appeared.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:42 PM
My only VG-1 thus far is one of my Voyagers.  It does seem a lot harder to sharpen than the AUS-8 blades (not that it needed sharpening, I just wanted to convex the edge, so I'm not sure how the edge holding is at this point), but I haven't had any chips (not much "hard" use either, though).  The only other place I've seen VG-1 used is in some kitchen cutlery (Japanese, IIRC). Of course, you can get away with higher hardness and brittleness in kitchen applications, whereas, the same features may be a liability in utility/outdoor circumstances.  I agree it shouldn't be an issue for an SD knife either. 

In any case,  this is the  first I've heard of chipping issues, so I'm inclined to wait and see whether or not this remains isolated or becomes more common as time goes by before passing any judgment on the subject.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:41 PM
Like I said, you get a couple of knives chipped and you are ready to chuck the line?  Suddenly we have one member who had been in the suggestions forum beating the VG-1 drum loud and proud sees one bad thread and he is ready to head for the hills!

You can not make this kind of assumption with the current data.

How many THOUSANDS of knives do you think are out there in VG-1 being used everyday without an issue?  A few knives out of that many is not statistically significant, in fact it is likely to be less than the margin of error should a scientific sampling be tested.

It is true that I do not have many VG-1 Knives, this is more due to which knives I own and what knives the put this steel in though.  What I will agree with is that VG-1 is a bear to re-sharpen.  This is exactly related to the reason so many people seem to lie it though, it will hold and edge forever without sharpening.  This is exactly what Matt is saying about the classic compromise...

As for the more "martial" blades getting VG-1, I guess I don't see a more martial knife made than the OSS and the current one is made from AUS8A, unless we are talking only folders (which I guess we are seeing which forum we are in B^).


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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:31 PM
I have carried a VG-1, 4" clip point voyager for almost 3 years now and use it daily. Thrown it a few times too. I have not seen any sighs of chipping. And as some are noticing find it hard to sharpen, but sharpen it much less than any other folder I carry, or have carried.

I have cut everything from cardboard to shaping lumber and trimming the grass when I don't feel like using the weedwacker. Some of the cardboard had BIG staples, the copper colored ones, that I cut into or stopped the cut on and never had it chip.

Personally, I think the VG-1 is a very good steel and am happy to have a few knives made with it.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:37 PM
I haven't had any problems with VG-1 yet.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 6:55 AM
Well, maybe I've just had bad luck. But I do know this, I have not abused the knives. I have a K4 necknife in VG-1 but it's virgin still, and I don't use a knife just to use it. I don't have any other VG-1 blades (except the SM3 that have it as the innner layer).
For know I will stick with what I know. I will fix the Tanto and keep using it, see how it goes.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 9:37 AM
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Like I said, you get a couple of knives chipped and you are ready to chuck the line?  Suddenly we have one member who had been in the suggestions forum beating the VG-1 drum loud and proud sees one bad thread and he is ready to head for the hills!

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I never said a single bad thing about VG-1. I was simply stating that I didn't know it was so brittle and I was re-estimating what I believed the hardness was. There was no bashing of the steel whatsoever so much as I learned something new about the steel. In the other thread I was stating and I still state that I think edge holding is one of the more important factors in knives. Just my oppinion is all. I apologize if I may of seemed misleading about my thoughts on the steel. And I still believe it would be cool if there was more VG-1 knives out there. I never "headed for the hills"

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 11:22 AM
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  I never "headed for the hills"


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Hmm, didn't know VG-1 was so brittle.


I think it was this post that caused me to say this, you are actually saying that you didn't know it was so brittle when what I am saying is that we still have no proof that it really is... just a few knives that have chipped from thousands.


forgive me if I offended you.


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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 12:30 PM
Well I don't know if anybody would debate that its not more brittle than AUS-8 considering that its harder. I just never made this connection until now. However there are a wealth of advantages to counter each disadvantage.
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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 2:28 PM
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I think it was this post that caused me to say this, you are actually saying that you didn't know it was so brittle when what I am saying is that we still have no proof that it really is... just a few knives that have chipped from thousands.


forgive me if I offended you.


I just thought your previous post was a bit rude was all and I was offended from it. But I do accept your apology and hopefully we can put it behind us now. But about the VG-1, there was 3 people who said they had chips on their blade. And I figured that if the Voyager got chips from cutting plant material, then its probably more brittle than I thought it to be because I didnt think VG-1 would chip so easily. Then it reminded me of other stories I have heard of the San Mai III Trail Master getting some chips in it after hard use. So that led me to believe that the hardness of VG-1 was probably around 59 to 60 as it also has very good edge holding properties from what I hear. But all in all, whether a lot a bit or a little bit, VG-1 probably a bit more brittle than I originally thought it was.

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Re:VG-1 chip prone - Friday, August 14, 2009 2:32 PM
It has been behind me for some time now...