NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!!

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NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, January 02, 2013 11:40 AM
 
 
NEW FOR 2013!!!  Counter Point XL 10AXC!!!
 
"2013"
 
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!
 
Thank You Cold Steel!
 
You listened to the "People!"
 
Hey all my Fellow Counter Point  Fans, check out the "New for 2013" Cold Steel Knives and tell me what you think about the new Counter Point XL 10AXC?
 
Personally, I asked Cold Steel to make one of these in last year's Cold Steel Forums...  Do they read these?  If so, thank you for listening, to your Customers, Cold Steel.
 
Please, put me on the list for mine, "NOW!!!"  I added "2," to my "Wish List" & Cold Steel Account Shopping Cart...
 
Thank you Cold Steel, you "ROCK!!!"
 
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For all the "Counter Point Fans," here's photos of all three generations of the Counter Point Series...
 
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, January 02, 2013 12:22 PM
I'm in for this one.

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, January 02, 2013 1:11 PM
Is this a really nice looking SD, EDC, Tactical Stiletto, or what?  This is, "Too Cool for School..."  When do they go on sale!

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, January 02, 2013 6:59 PM
I like it but that 6" blade kind of takes it out of the boot knife class for me at least.  I'll probably get one anyway as I like the one I have now.  
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:36 AM
Myself, I love the bigger size and thicker blade.  But, as far as a Boot Knife is concerned, I don't think that it's meant to be a Boot Knife; I think it's supposed to have the Style of one...  Though, I feel that it's more of a Italian Stiletto Style or even a Russian Mikov Style.  But, I feel that it is really a Stiletto Style Knife.  I love Stilettos, especially well made Stilettos.  And, if this is like the Counter Point 1, only bigger, I'm in sold on it... 
 
Does anyone know when these will be released?  I hope we don't have to wait forever, for these...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:11 PM
Well... I like very much the Counter Point serie, and, of course, also the 6" version, even if, like I wrote in another topic, I would have preferred a 5" version to a 6". 
Like Stiletto, I love daggers and stilettos style blades. 
IMHO, the Counter Point knives are "dagger style" blades, but they can't be considered "stilettos" (maybe the CP 2 could, by blade design, fall in this category, but certanly not the 4" and 6" versions) and even less they can be considered "Italian stilettos"... A perfect example of "Italian stilettos" style knives are the Ti Lite serie.
"Mikov switchblade" style ? Yes, maybe, but I think that also Mikov knives are more "dagger style" than "stiletto style" knives. Why am I writing this ? Essentially for two reasons:

1) I really hope that Cold Steel doesn't decide to discontinue the Ti Lite serie because of the existence of the "similar" Counter Point serie: Ti Lites and Counter Points are not, IMHO, the same kind of knives and I really like BOTH the series, each one with its peculiarity.

2) I hope that Cold Steel decide to make soon  a 5" version of the Ti Lite and of the Counter point, because, I think this size would be ideal for both the knives.

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Thursday, January 03, 2013 3:11 PM
I love the Ti-Lites, also.  In fact, my first Cold Steel Knife was one of the Original Titanium Handled Ti-Lites.  I liked it so much, I bought two.  One I collected and still have in mint unused condition.  The other was used until the blade was too loose from opening and closing.  The Liner-Lock wears out on those and the ends up getting real loose over time.  That's one of the big advantages to the Tri-Ad lock in my opinion; I have not worn one out yet...
 
I have several Ti-Lites (2 of the small one's & 3 big one's).  But, I would like to see the Ti-Lite in a Tri-Ad Version...
 
With the size issue, I don't know why Cold Steel doesn't offer all of the Traditional Italian Stiletto sizes like 7," 9," 11," and 13" Stiletto sizes.  These have always been my favorites.
 
The Counter Point is supposed to be the folding version of the Counter Tac 1 & 2 Fixed Blade Boot Knife (Dagger) Series, I think...
 
But, in my opinion, it most resembles a Italian Stiletto on Steroids!  It has the same basic shape, but with a wider and more useful Bayonet, Dagger, or Stiletto style blade and handle.  In my opinion, this is a modern day version of the Italian Stiletto, but it is not a Ti-Lite.  Ti-Lites, though they're a modern interpretation of the Italian Stiletto, follow a more Traditional path; I agree.
 
A Stiletto Blade is usually narrow and is designed for thrusting or stabbing.  This is why in many areas, this style of blade is not allowed if it is double-edged.
 
In short, I think this new series "ROCKS!"
 
This is a real SD EDC Tactical Folder.  Cold Steel got this one right.  But, it would be nice to see a 4mm, 5" Blade Version of this knife, too...  I agree.  When I first raised the suggestion of making a 5" blade, nobody responded...
 
Maybe, if we all start saying we want one, maybe The "Cold Steel Gods" will listen to us, "The People!" 
 
Stiletto on Steroids or Boot Knife, what do you Guys & Gals think?
 
I like it either way...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Thursday, January 03, 2013 5:33 PM
I fully agree with you about the fact that the Tri-ad lock is far stronger and wears off less than the liner lock...It is, IMO, possibly the best and ultimate evolution of the lock-back system !! 
I would certanly like this lock on the Ti Lites...The only thing that would be lost with the Tri-ad lock would be the "switchblade effect" opening the knife with the thumb stud, along with some more resistance when inertia-opening the blade. The first change i would personally do in re-designing the Ti Lites would be, however, to orient both of the quillions farward, in order to gain a more effective pocket snag...
I'm from Italy, and I know quite well italian stilettos, their origines and their development... They have their origines in the medioeval fixed blade stilettos (or "Misericordia"), with no cutting edges, a triangular or square section blade and a cross guard: they were a "stabbing only" weapon, meant to kill enemies passing in the joints of their armors. The next evolution was the so called "Stiletto da bombardiere", very similar to the medioeval one in the design, and than, with the industrial era, the folding automatic versions. The italian stiletto has never had any "utility" function; it is an offensive weapon born to kill by stabbing: from this point of view, it's very similar to the Fairbairn/Sikes fighting knife...Similar also in the design of the blade... Many italian manufactures (Fox, Maserin, Beltrame, ecc.) have had (and probably have right now), in their catalogues, some switchblades knives (generally lever-locks) that have blade shapes similar to the Mikovs or the Counter Points, but these knives were born to be hunting knives, and the fact they had an automatic opening system was only for the reason to have the comfort to be able to open them with one hand.  
In a real stiletto, the blade is very narrow, designed to maximize penetration, even when this fact can possibly mean to reduce the strenght of the blade and/or its cutting abilities. 
Long story short, as already said, I love both the Ti Lites and the Counter Points, and, like you, I hope for their 5" versions in a near future !!! 

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Friday, January 04, 2013 6:52 PM
 
 
 
 
I agree with everything that you are saying about the History of the proper use of the term "Stiletto."
 
But, I was not being so technical, when I said that this looks like a "Modern Day, "Tactical," Interpretation" of a Italian Stiletto.  In my opinion, they mimicked the Italian Style when they made these.  The shape of the handle looks a lot like my Italians, but Beefier or on Steroids.  Even the Bayonet Dagger Style Blade is common amongst Italian Stilettos.  But, this Bayonet is Beefier.  And, for all practical purposes, it is more useful than the one dimensional thin profile of the "Traditional" Italian Stiletto Folder. 
 
Oh, and the Ti-Lite 6 is SUPER FAST, I agree.  It's the fastest Manual Folder that I have.  I can open mine faster than most Italian Autos.  And, what you said about the Finger Guards, would be a nice improvement on the Ti-Lite 6. 
 
You know, if they ever do stop making these, the value of these will JUMP!!!  Why?  Because, they are very popular and the demand will increase when they are not being made anymore... 
 
For example:  I had several Cuda Maxx 5.5's and Stilettos (another Big and Beefy Stiletto) that I had purchased when they first came out for a little over a hundred a piece.  I sold them a couple of years ago for almost five hundred a piece...  The Ti-Lite 6 will be worth over a hundred after it's been out of production for a few years, watch...
 
I've been riding Harleys and carrying and Collecting Stilettos, since the middle of the 1970's. 
 
I know a lot about the Italians, too.  I also, lived in Europe (Germany), when I was in the US Army.  I used to sell Italian Stilettos, back in the day...  So, I know my Stilettos, also...  Now, I'm 51 years old.  That's why I like Stilettos, because they are like me, "Old School!" 
 
Here is a few pictures of some of my personal Folding Stilettos.  There is a couple Alberto Beltrame Bolster Lock Releases, a Frank Beltrame Pick-Lock, AKC Pick-Lock, a couple of AKC Bolster Lock Releases, a couple of German Hubertus Lever-Locks, and a Mikov Lever-Lock.  Also, there are a couple of AKC Manual Stilettos and a couple of German Kissing Crane Manual Stilettos.  These are my prized Stilettos, in my Collection.  I have others, but these are my favorites. 
 
But, I no longer carry Italian Stilettos or any folders that are not Cold Steel Folders.  Why?  I like the dependability and strength of the Cold Steel Knives.  With the Tri-Ad Lock, Cold Steel Rules!  Though, I still like to pull these out, every "Blue Moon" to look at... 
 
The Italians are 11" & 13" in length; these are my two favorite sizes for SD EDC.  So, you can see why I'm happy about the new Counter Point XL...
 
Some of the other knives that I have carried are the folding Buck Knives, Benchmade AFCK's, and various American, Japanese, and Phillipino Butterfly or Balisong Knives.  If interested, I sell items on BladeBid.com and eBay, from time to time, under the handle of Stiletto15...
 
As you can see i like these, too...
 
COLD STEEL MAKE A 5" BLADE STILETTO, PLEASE!!!
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, January 05, 2013 1:20 AM
If I end up buying a Counter Point, it'll probably be the CP I. The XL is just too big for me to carry in this emasculated country without worrying about someone dropping a dime on me and my butt getting thrown in jail with weapons charges, despite the XL being perfectly legal.

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, January 05, 2013 11:20 AM
What Country do you live in?  Are you still in Italy?
 
The Counter Point I is an excellent SD EDC Tactical Folder.  The Counter Point II is a bit on the very small side, but it does fit my hand very nicely...  I carry my Counter Point I a lot.  I like how light it is (4.7oz).  This weight is in the area of my desired carry weight.  I tend to like knives that are between 4-8 ounces in weight.  When they get heavier, they start to be too heavy for "Real" EDC purposes for me.  Why?  Because, I like to carry in my front right pocket, via the pocket clip.  When Folders are too heavy, they always want to pull my pants down.  This is a personal problem, because I lack proper "BUTT CHEEKS!" 
 
But, I do like the Folders with more reach, as long as they are not too heavy...
 
This is one of the main reasons I've always liked the "Traditional Italian Stilettos."  They are light and long.
 
Then, Cold Steel came out with the Ti-Lite and I was in "LOVE."  I think that the Ti-Lite is the best Folding Stiletto, to date.  But, I wonder how long will it continue to exist with it's "Liner-Lock." 
 
Like you, I hope they stay true to it's size, shape, and "Old School" style.  And, they need to start making the 11" total length Stiletto with a 6" handle & 5" blade...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, January 05, 2013 2:21 PM
Stiletto


 
 
 
 
I agree with everything that you are saying about the History of the proper use of the term "Stiletto."
 
But, I was not being so technical, when I said that this looks like a "Modern Day, "Tactical," Interpretation" of a Italian Stiletto.  In my opinion, they mimicked the Italian Style when they made these.  The shape of the handle looks a lot like my Italians, but Beefier or on Steroids.  Even the Bayonet Dagger Style Blade is common amongst Italian Stilettos.  But, this Bayonet is Beefier.  And, for all practical purposes, it is more useful than the one dimensional thin profile of the "Traditional" Italian Stiletto Folder. 
 
Oh, and the Ti-Lite 6 is SUPER FAST, I agree.  It's the fastest Manual Folder that I have.  I can open mine faster than most Italian Autos.  And, what you said about the Finger Guards, would be a nice improvement on the Ti-Lite 6. 
 
You know, if they ever do stop making these, the value of these will JUMP!!!  Why?  Because, they are very popular and the demand will increase when they are not being made anymore... 
 
For example:  I had several Cuda Maxx 5.5's and Stilettos (another Big and Beefy Stiletto) that I had purchased when they first came out for a little over a hundred a piece.  I sold them a couple of years ago for almost five hundred a piece...  The Ti-Lite 6 will be worth over a hundred after it's been out of production for a few years, watch...
 
I've been riding Harleys and carrying and Collecting Stilettos, since the middle of the 1970's. 
 
I know a lot about the Italians, too.  I also, lived in Europe (Germany), when I was in the US Army.  I used to sell Italian Stilettos, back in the day...  So, I know my Stilettos, also...  Now, I'm 51 years old.  That's why I like Stilettos, because they are like me, "Old School!" 
 
Here is a few pictures of some of my personal Folding Stilettos.  There is a couple Alberto Beltrame Bolster Lock Releases, a Frank Beltrame Pick-Lock, AKC Pick-Lock, a couple of AKC Bolster Lock Releases, a couple of German Hubertus Lever-Locks, and a Mikov Lever-Lock.  Also, there are a couple of AKC Manual Stilettos and a couple of German Kissing Crane Manual Stilettos.  These are my prized Stilettos, in my Collection.  I have others, but these are my favorites. 
 
But, I no longer carry Italian Stilettos or any folders that are not Cold Steel Folders.  Why?  I like the dependability and strength of the Cold Steel Knives.  With the Tri-Ad Lock, Cold Steel Rules!  Though, I still like to pull these out, every "Blue Moon" to look at... 
 
The Italians are 11" & 13" in length; these are my two favorite sizes for SD EDC.  So, you can see why I'm happy about the new Counter Point XL...
 
Some of the other knives that I have carried are the folding Buck Knives, Benchmade AFCK's, and various American, Japanese, and Phillipino Butterfly or Balisong Knives.  If interested, I sell items on BladeBid.com and eBay, from time to time, under the handle of Stiletto15...
 
As you can see i like these, too...
 
COLD STEEL MAKE A 5" BLADE STILETTO, PLEASE!!!
 
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I think our tastes about folding daggers and stilettos are VERY similar  !!
Very nice collection you have there !! I'm 41, exactly ten years younger than you, but I think I'm a little "old school" too... I bought my first italian stiletto when I was 10... It was a 9" with a black buffalo horn handle, made in Maniago (by Beltrame family, if I remember correctly) and, from that time, I've bought, sold, lost or destroyed at least one hundred of switchblade stilettos ... My favourite size has always been the 11", with the 13" as a pretty close second... Here in Italy the 11" version, has always been the most sold size... All folding stilettos lovers like this size because it's the perfect size: not too big and not too small. I've had many balisong too (unfortunately, I was never able to buy a CS Archangel ), and I also own a classic Buck 110 (with finger grooves). I don't carry italian stilettos anymore too: now I carry Ti Lites, new Voyagers, G10 Espadas, Sog Special Elite II and Gerber A/F Combat folder. I'll soon buy also a Counter Point 1 and an XL ... The Tri-ad lock is fantastic !!!


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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, January 05, 2013 6:30 PM
Rock N' Roll, Bro!  Are you my Brother from another Mother! 
 
The 11" size is the perfect size for SD EDC. 
 
Oh, I have all of the Arch Angels...
 
Why did Cold Steel stop making these, I don't know...
 
And, like you Bro, I have been through hundreds of Stilettos in my days.  My first, was one that I bought out of a Field & Stream Magazine, for 99 cents, back in the 60's when I was in the 2nd Grade.  I was 7 years old.  It was about 7" long and had gloss black plastic scales, a bayonet style blade, and stainless steel bolsters and pins.  Oh, and it was made in Japan!  I LOVED THAT LITTLE CHEAP KNIFE!!!  It was cool, then...  And, since then, I always have Collected Stilettos.  I just think they look cool.  I remember the "Old Movies," They always represented, "Rebellion."
 
I also, carry the Ti-Lite 6."  But, the smaller 4" version, is too small for me.  
 
Though, like you, I have all of the Cold Steel Knives that I like.  And, I see some 2013's that I like, too...
 
My other all time favorite line of Cold Steels, is the Voyagers with the Plain Edge.  I like the New and the Old Voyagers. 
 
As far as the heavy-duty folders are concerned, in my opinion, the "Rajah Series" rules!  I have the III & II.
 
But, back to the Counter Point; if you don't have one, you should get one.  I'll bet that you'll love it, too...
 
The first one that I bought, I took it apart and hand polished it to a "Mirror" finish.  It looks awesome polished out!  I got this idea from polishing out my first Ti-Lite 6, another Cold Steel Knife that will polish fairly easily and looks "Beautiful" when fully taken apart and hand polished to a "Mirror" finish.  But, if you do this, be sure to not heat up the blade.  It takes time...  And, you"ll have to re-sharpen the blade.  But, the results are worth the effort, especially, if you like polished blades.  I do...
 
This really only works on the Satin finished blades.  The "Bead Blast" blades require a lot of time and a lot of sanding to get them to a Mirror Polish.  I polished my Little Rajah recently and Boy, does it seem like a whole new knife!  At first, I didn't like it that much.  But, since I've polished it, it is "Awesome!"  It's one of my new favorite "Little" SD EDC Tactical Folders. 
 
I'd bet, that if Cold Steel offered more finish choices, they'd sell more knives...
 
But, I would highly recommend the Counter Point Series!  The Voyagers, Counter Points, and the Rajahs are all constructed basically the same.  They all have full Steel (the Rajah II has steel liners) or T-6 Aluminum Liners with Grivory Scales & Back Spacers.  Also, they all have Aus 8 Blades & Tri-Ad Locks.  All of these knives are very well made and can handle just about anything...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:27 AM
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What Country do you live in?  Are you still in Italy?
 
The Counter Point I is an excellent SD EDC Tactical Folder.  The Counter Point II is a bit on the very small side, but it does fit my hand very nicely...  I carry my Counter Point I a lot.  I like how light it is (4.7oz).  This weight is in the area of my desired carry weight.  I tend to like knives that are between 4-8 ounces in weight.  When they get heavier, they start to be too heavy for "Real" EDC purposes for me.  Why?  Because, I like to carry in my front right pocket, via the pocket clip.  When Folders are too heavy, they always want to pull my pants down.  This is a personal problem, because I lack proper "BUTT CHEEKS!" 
 
But, I do like the Folders with more reach, as long as they are not too heavy...
 
This is one of the main reasons I've always liked the "Traditional Italian Stilettos."  They are light and long.
 
Then, Cold Steel came out with the Ti-Lite and I was in "LOVE."  I think that the Ti-Lite is the best Folding Stiletto, to date.  But, I wonder how long will it continue to exist with it's "Liner-Lock." 
 
Like you, I hope they stay true to it's size, shape, and "Old School" style.  And, they need to start making the 11" total length Stiletto with a 6" handle & 5" blade...
 
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I suppose you responded to Tanto Seven thinking that he was me ... 
About me, yes, I live in Italy (near Milano). I'll surely buy the CP 1 and the XL... I already know, even if I've never seen one in person, that the Counter Point II is too small for my tastes. 
Also in my opinion the Ti Lites are the best folding stilettos ever made, from a practical point of view, better than the original Italian ones... The fact that they use a liner-lock (they are the only remaining liner-lock folders made by CS) makes me too suppose that they could be soon discontinued 
If this happens, my hope is exactly the one you have written: I hope at least they will be replaced by other folding stilettos, because Counter Points and Hold Outs are certanly great knives, but they are not real stilettos.


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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:53 AM
Oooops!
 
The Ti-Lites are a "Modern Day Classic!"
 
I agree, these are the best User Stilettos that I have ever owned.
 
Is there a construction reason why they have not made a Tri-Ad Version?  Does anybody know?
 
A Tri-Ad Ti-Lite would be Stiletto Perfection, for "Single Purpose" Stilettos...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:02 AM
I was wondering the same thing... Maybe their handles are too narrow to accomodate the Tri-ad lock... Who knows ?

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 11:18 AM
Hmmm...
 
But, the small Counter Point has a narrow blade...
 
I wonder about the quillons or finger guards that are on the Ti-Lites.  I'd bet that the quillons won't work.  And, you can't use the Wave Style Opener on this one without loosing the traditional finger guards.  and you end up with a stiletto without quillons or wave feature, like the Hold Out...
 
And, being able to use the pocket snag quillons is an important feature on the Ti-Lites...
 
Any thoughts, I'm just speculating...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 1:48 PM
I think you're right... The quillions, like they are now, won't work  !!
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Sunday, January 06, 2013 5:09 PM
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This is a personal problem, because I lack proper "BUTT CHEEKS!" 
 

 
  I may have to add that quote to my signature in the near future (if you don't mind).
 
While there are quite a few interesting items for this year, the XL CP is the one that immediately jumped out at me.  I loved the CP I when it came out, but I wished they'd do a bigger one to match the size of the 6" Ti-Lite.  The 6" Ti is one of my favorite CS models, but I find the slightly wider, less tapered blade shape and Tri-Ad lock of the CPs even more appealing.  I will definitely be adding one to my collection when they become available. 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Monday, January 07, 2013 9:52 AM
You sound like me...
 
That is exactly the way I feel about the new CP XL.
 
I love the Ti-Lite 6 and it will always be one of my "All Time Favorites" from the "Blade Masters" at Cold Steel.  But, I also love the new Counter Point Series.  Even, the smallest one fits my hand...  This handle design is  a extremely good design that not only functions awesomely, but it looks good, too...  I love how these have the Folding Stiletto, Dagger, Dirk, Boot Knife style.  Like you, I like the wider Blade, Handle, and Tri-Ad Lock.
 
I hope they don't discontinue the Ti-Lite Series.  Why?  Because, the Ti-Lites are what I would call a "Modern Day Classic."  And, they still have the "Pocket Snag" feature that the new CP line does not have...
 
In my opinion, they should retain the Ti-Lites.  And, if they must update them with new Tri-Ad Locks, I hope they stay true to the more "Traditional Italian Stiletto" sizes and styles.
 
Myself, I think I'll also purchase a couple more Ti-Lites, just incase they become extinct...
 
As far as the CP XL is concerned, it sounds like they are doing it justice with the 4mm 6" Blade.  I can't wait for these to come out; does anybody have news on release dates?
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Monday, January 07, 2013 9:59 AM
Yea, Bro, that is what I think keeps them from being able to make a Tri-Ad Ti-Lite.
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, January 30, 2013 8:29 PM
Hey!

Does anyone know when these are going to be available to the Public?

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Friday, February 22, 2013 8:32 AM
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Hey!

Does anyone know when these are going to be available to the Public?

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I emailed Cold Steel yesterday about release dates for the 2013 line in general and the new Code 4 folders specifically (these are the new items I have my eye on).  The response I got back said that most of the new items start shipping in the spring with most of the items being in stock with dealers by the end of the summer.  Nothing more specific than that at this point.

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Friday, February 22, 2013 8:49 AM
Thank you for the information  .

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:05 PM
I figured that was the deal... 
 
They are driving me nuts! 
 
I feel like a little kid at Christmas...
 
I CAN'T WAIT!!! 
 
But, what choice do I have; Cold Steel likes to "TEASE!!!"
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:20 PM
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What Country do you live in?  Are you still in Italy?
 
The Counter Point I is an excellent SD EDC Tactical Folder.  The Counter Point II is a bit on the very small side, but it does fit my hand very nicely...  I carry my Counter Point I a lot.  I like how light it is (4.7oz).  This weight is in the area of my desired carry weight.  I tend to like knives that are between 4-8 ounces in weight.  When they get heavier, they start to be too heavy for "Real" EDC purposes for me.  Why?  Because, I like to carry in my front right pocket, via the pocket clip.  When Folders are too heavy, they always want to pull my pants down.  This is a personal problem, because I lack proper "BUTT CHEEKS!" 
 
But, I do like the Folders with more reach, as long as they are not too heavy...
 
This is one of the main reasons I've always liked the "Traditional Italian Stilettos."  They are light and long.
 
Then, Cold Steel came out with the Ti-Lite and I was in "LOVE."  I think that the Ti-Lite is the best Folding Stiletto, to date.  But, I wonder how long will it continue to exist with it's "Liner-Lock." 
 
Like you, I hope they stay true to it's size, shape, and "Old School" style.  And, they need to start making the 11" total length Stiletto with a 6" handle & 5" blade...
 
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I live in Canada. Knife laws here are lax, but very vague - they seem specifically set up so that a LEO with a chip on his shoulder can get otherwise law abiding citizens in deep trouble. So, while I am legally able to carry my Leatherneck on my belt wherever I go (as long as I don't intend to hurt anybody with it), I would probably get in trouble for it were I walking down the street in the city. I could, at worst, have my knife taken away, get weapons charges, and spend years in prison. The law also does not recognize self defense as a reason for carrying a knife, and if you tell a LEO that you're carrying a knife for self defense, they will react the same way as if you said you were carrying it because you wanted to stab somebody with it. 


So, a lot of unwritten rules we have to deal with here. Current knife laws need to be solidified (or better yet, done away with completely, heh). 


I'm getting a Ti-Lite with a 4" blade and aluminum handle, but I just don't know when. I do find the knife very attractive.

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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 9:01 AM
I agree with you on doing away with the stupid knife laws or making them the same all over the US.  The knife laws are way out of date in my State of CA.  I don't understand why Butterfly Knives are against the law here; they are not the fastest opening knife now days.  In most cases any legal thumbstud or wave plate knife opens faster...
 
It sounds like you have a big Collection of CS Blades; very cool!
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Tuesday, March 05, 2013 6:50 PM
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What Country do you live in?  Are you still in Italy?
 
The Counter Point I is an excellent SD EDC Tactical Folder.  The Counter Point II is a bit on the very small side, but it does fit my hand very nicely...  I carry my Counter Point I a lot.  I like how light it is (4.7oz).  This weight is in the area of my desired carry weight.  I tend to like knives that are between 4-8 ounces in weight.  When they get heavier, they start to be too heavy for "Real" EDC purposes for me.  Why?  Because, I like to carry in my front right pocket, via the pocket clip.  When Folders are too heavy, they always want to pull my pants down.  This is a personal problem, because I lack proper "BUTT CHEEKS!" 
 
But, I do like the Folders with more reach, as long as they are not too heavy...
 
This is one of the main reasons I've always liked the "Traditional Italian Stilettos."  They are light and long.
 
Then, Cold Steel came out with the Ti-Lite and I was in "LOVE."  I think that the Ti-Lite is the best Folding Stiletto, to date.  But, I wonder how long will it continue to exist with it's "Liner-Lock." 
 
Like you, I hope they stay true to it's size, shape, and "Old School" style.  And, they need to start making the 11" total length Stiletto with a 6" handle & 5" blade...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, March 09, 2013 9:43 PM
Yes, "Chumbo..."
 
This is true, I'm without Butt-Cheeks...
 
I think this comes from my Mother's Side; they all had Flat Butts!
 
Sitting on your "Hip Bones" gets old...
 
I think this is why I have always loved Women with "Big Butts!!!"
 
You always want, what you don't have...
 
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, March 23, 2013 2:54 AM
I would also like to see this in a 5" version although it's a bit pricey for me, but I would consider one in the future. Sometimes, I look at the CS online catalog and wish I could buy one of each product they make, but I would still anxiously wait for the 2014 models.
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Saturday, March 23, 2013 4:36 PM
  Actually, Kalifornia has some liberal knife laws, unlike their restrictive gun laws. I did some research and I can't find anything in the penal code that says you can't conceal carry a 7.5"" folder as long as it's not a switch blade, dagger, etc... 

A dagger/dirk must be worn openly in a sheath. No switchblades, OTF or double edged stilettos. Penal Code 12020 and 653PC are the codes that pertain to concealed carry of knives, although I would think most LEO would frown upon someone carrying a concealed Vaquero XL or other large folders, but AFAIK, they are legal. IDK if convicted Felons can carry, and I'm not a lawyer so if you're going to CC a folder, especially a large folder it would be best to thoroughly research the law but I can't find anything on the books that says no-go. 

Unfortunately, it's next to impossible to get a CCW license in Kalifornia, but being able to CC a Defensive use EDC appears to be legal regardless of blade length with the above mentioned restrictions is the next best thing. I just keep my pocket clip covered with an untucked shirt. No one needs to know what's in my pocket(s) and I don't need any unnecessary hassles. And of course, schools, post offices, courts, federal buildings, etc... are off-limits in most cases. 

Perhaps a little Swiss Army knife in the Post Office won't get you in trouble, but a Vaquero Grande or G10 Espada might get you in a lot of trouble so use common sense when carrying a folding pocket sword. My 4" Vaquero is my EDC, and I still worry about carrying a folder that size in public even though it appears to be 100% legal for me to do so. 

Knife laws might even vary from city to city, town to town - what's legal in one town might be frowned upon in the next town down the road. But all in all, I think Kalifornia, as tight azzed as they are with firearms and hi-caps have some pretty good knife laws that aren't too restrictive. I just hope that female dog DiFi doesn't start pushing for laws limiting blade length.
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Re:NEW FOR 2013!!! Counter Point XL 10AXC!!! - Wednesday, February 12, 2014 8:30 PM
Cold Steel, Release this one; or, let us know what's up... Stiletto
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