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Hand and a half sword, broken? - Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:23 PM ( #1 )
I have always admired swords, and recently purchased Cold Steel's hand and a half sword directly from Amazon.com. As I am rather new in the realm of sword collecting, I was hoping someone could tell me whether the following is to be expected in a sword, or if I purchased a dud ( I believe it is an older model due to the pommel). I have noticed that if I grab the cross guard with my fingers and gently push back and forth,it wobbles. I have also noticed that if I flick the pommel or handle, I can feel the vibrations spread throughout the blade. My own research on the matter has only yielded contradicting answers, so any information from a seasoned sword collector--whether the cross guard should be slightly loose and whether vibrations should be felt throughout the blade-- would be greatly appreciated.Thanks for reading.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:30 PM ( #2 )
Welcome to the forums. No the cross guard should not be loose. Some people will make the cross guard loose for personal taste, but it should arrive nice and tight. The sword needs to be sent back to cold steel. It looks like you got an older model. If you feel vibrations through the handle, or can turn the blade in the slightest way, there is something wrong with the handle as well. And in such a situation, I wouldn't touch it, just send it back. If you just gently tap the pommel or the handle, and its not loose at all, but does send a vibration through the blade then that's pretty normal.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:31 PM ( #3 )
Are there any numbers 'stamped' into it anywhere? look at out of the way places. I bought a Grosse Messer that had a similar problem. Turns out I bought a second. there was a number 2 stamped into the cross guard on the underside. Cold Steel stamps the ones that fail their Quality Control.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Thursday, May 31, 2012 6:41 PM ( #4 )
Wow, thanks for the awesome response time. As far as I can tell, there are no numbers or stamps on the sword. I guess the best course of action would be to send it to Cold Steel and have them inspect it. Does anyone happen to have any familiarity with such a procedure, such as whether they will repair or replace it, or how long it will take? Thanks again.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Thursday, May 31, 2012 7:14 PM ( #5 )
You need to send it to them via UPS with a letter inside telling them whats wrong along with your contact information. They will inspect it and contact you. Sometimes they don't notify you, and 6 weeks later something shows up at your door. They may replace it, but it sounds like a simple repair job. But if it is one of the older models then you will get a replacement.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Friday, June 01, 2012 3:12 AM ( #6 )
^^^Just a reminder, YOU have to pay to send it in, and Cold Steel pays to send it back. It's not a CS thing, it is just standard industry practice regardless of manufacturer. 

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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 5:48 PM ( #7 )
If an item fails QC why is it on the market? 
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 6:08 PM ( #8 )
The older model will just have a smooth round pommel on the end.  The pommel threaded onto a bit of threaded rod at the end of the tang.  There were some problems reported with these, so I'd try to get it replaced in any case.  The newer ones have a seperate round nut recessed into the end of the pommel and look to be built more heavy duty.  With these you can easily snug down the entire hilt by grabbing the nub of nut that protrudes above the pommel with a vise grip or some pliers whose jaws are padded with a thick piece of leather or similar material and giving the nut a little clockwise twist.  Actually, I'd take the nut all the way off, put a bit of blue Lok-Tite on the threads, and then replace and snug it down.

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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 6:39 PM ( #9 )
Does anyone know how thick and wide the tang is?  I like the Hand and a Half or Bastard swords but I don't like flimsy rat tail tangs.  
I -much- prefer a full profile tang that is one piece with the blade and nice scales on each side.  The price on these swords is enough to make me cautious about the durability. 
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:19 PM ( #10 )
I've never seen the H&H tang uncovered, but I've seen a pic of the Italian Longsword (same construction) with the pommel off (not the whole handle).  It looks like it has a reasonably beefy tang with what appears to be a 1/4"-20 threaded portion at the end (haven't been able to see or measure one in the flesh), which is fairly standard for threaded swords (Gus Trim, Hanwei Tinker Line, etc.).  A couple of my older Windlass swords have really beefy 5/16"-18 threading on the tangs, but that seems a bit more unusual.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 8:29 PM ( #11 )
I agree with Gary and think threads have no place on a sword.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 9:04 PM ( #12 )
Damn it! My post disappeared.

Anyway, to me it depends upon how the threading is done.  If done well it can be plenty durable.  Historically, threaded tangs date back to at least the early to mid 17th century.  Though never nearly as common as peened assemblies, they did exist.
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Re:Hand and a half sword, broken? - Wednesday, June 06, 2012 11:03 PM ( #13 )
Well, i can think of several reasons threads weren't common. 

hard to make, less reliable, less serviceable... well.. maybe only 3 right now. lol

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  I wonder how many "real" swords ive either turned down or given away for having a threaded pommel.... oops... :s
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