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SAS Survival Handbook - Monday, September 06, 2010 8:29 PM
Just this morning if finished reading - straight through and in it's entirety beginning in mid-July - the "SAS Survival Handbook" by John 'Lofty' Wiseman. It covers most things you would need to know to survive in many demanding situations, such as airplane crashes, ship abandonment, lostness, and natural and manmade catastrophes. Wiseman provides lots of details and illustrations within each section, and he sometimes recommends looking for additional more-specific sources when there is too much information to include about any particular subject within his book. I own several survival manuals ("Army FM 21-76 Survival" - the thick extended version, "Outdoor Survival Skills" by Larry Dean Olsen, and most of the Tom Brown field guides) and I think that the "SAS Survival Handbook" is the most diversified and practical out of all of them. The only subject that Wiseman didn't cover in it was any sort of self defense. It appears that Wiseman has also written an "SAS Urban Survival Handbook" and an "SAS Survival Driver's Handbook" which include sections concerning self defense and evasive driving maneuvers.

I definitely recommend reading the "SAS Survival Handbook".

Has anybody else read any of the three SAS Survival Handbooks? If so, please write what you think about them. Thanks!

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Monday, September 06, 2010 8:58 PM
MM60 I too own a copy of the SAS survival handbook, and agree that it is a very good source of survival info. It contains extensive amounts of info as well as easy to read pictures and diagrams. There is also a pocket sized version that would be a valuable addition to any ones BoB. I think if you have this book and a first aid manual(I have St John ambulance Australian First aid) you are well covered with survival info.Buy it you won't be disappointed.
On a side note I recently bought Chris Ryan's Ultimate Survival Guide, and it too is a very good survival manual, as far as I am concerned you can't have enough information on this subject.


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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:38 AM
I read it when it first came out.
Good book.
Lofty has a school in the UK, I keep meaning to go on a course there.
Not only is there a mini version (which should be in every BoB)
There is an iPhone app (which I have on my iPod Touch) it's excellent.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:38 AM
I have it, take it along when I might be bored someplace and open it at random to review.  Definately worthy of space in a BOB.
The lack of anything about self defense seems standard, even with sources that I know believe in self defense.  I can only imagine it is a marketing decision.  I also notice September is Disaster Prepardness Month --if anyone notices self defense items or even just knives being mentioned--please post.
In fact I think I will start a thread about that.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:23 PM
My father owns the old version which has significantly better with more pictures than the currently printed version.  I love it, have read it several times and when originally setting up much of my survival (vs. camping) gear I used it extensively.  Wiseman is very informative and knowledgable on the topic.  From what I hear he's quite good at self defense as well though this is extreme hearsay.
     The SAS manual is awesome.  I've read the Urban survival guide is not quite as good (in my opinion) but more than worth owning.  Now that I know there is an app, I hope it's for the Smart phone as well as IPhone.  I have the army manual on my phone and the old Marine combat manual.  

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:41 PM
I had a copy of one of the original books, I was so impressed with the info in it, it got packed away after I read it a couple of times and compared it to a couple of other books I bought and lost over the years. I don't know about any new versions but that one was pretty much a waist of money.   

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, September 30, 2010 3:54 PM
I have one, several years old, and I gave it to my stepson in his bag I fixed up for him. A real handy book...

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, September 30, 2010 7:24 PM
I read that book (over several visits), at Borders Books, great book for sure, super informative.

I have book called "How to survive anything" forget the author, but a really great book also.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:26 PM
Because of this thread, and my recent climb of interest in the subject of survivalism, I just ran out today and got one. Thanks for the suggestion.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 10, 2010 5:57 AM
I do own the book and have read it a couple times. There's certainly some great information, but it assumes that you have a lot of somewhat hard to obtain stuff. For example, when they were talking about making a bow, they said to use sinew for the string. Who either A) walks around with sinew, or B) can stalk deer or elk and kill  them BEFORE they have a suitable weapon for it?. I found many other things similar to that in the book, and it was a bit of a turn off, but there was a good amount of information in there. Camp craft was my favourite section.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:09 AM
good point Bushman.  Part is for long term survival.  Lets say you have killed a deer with your last bullet and now you are going to have to switch over to a bow.  Then you want tosave the sinew.  Or you find a carcass that is too ripe to eat but you can still salvage from it.   One of the first things to do when you realize you are to be on your own, is to become aware of the potentual around you.  Like you start in the morning and your first thought on a summer day is not fire--but while looking for water and shelter you should also be alert to the fire tender you will need that evening.  Gather some when you spot it and stuff it away till needed.  Much of survival is just awareness of the bounty around you.  But it is not organized so you can get it just when you want.  You have to take it as you find it.  Each day you survive you become better stocked.
I have caught a deer bare handed.  The yearlings legs were caught in the fence it tried to jump.  As it was we freed it and set it in a warm spot to recover.  Another time one jumped up and ran into a fence and knocked itself silly.  As it came around it seemed to forget I was there.  I didn't touch it--but it would have been easy if I were starving. 
First thing to make is a spear and a throwing stick.  Then quick as you can you move up to a bow.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:25 PM
much of it is meant for long term survival.  Not many of us are going to whip up a log cabin for our one or two night "survival" stint in the woods.  If however I get my dream 100 acres someday, I may try building something similar.  I like having the info even if I'm not going to use it all.  might not be my pack and carry book but great on the shelf.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:28 PM
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...might not be my pack and carry book but great on the shelf...



What would be your pack and carry book?

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:40 PM
You can get a pocket version of the SAS Survival manual, just for that purpose. It is quite small and portable.


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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:29 PM
Currently I have a set of "cards" that fit the purpose.  they have general survival information on very small print.  Covers a lot of material and different information.  Honestly not much I didn't already know but for the weight and size it doesn't hurt to have with me.  If nothing else in a real situation it some reading material to keep your mind occupied or give you new ideas you forgot / didn't think about.  I also have a set for star gazing, animal tracks, and knots.  Not all always come with me and they may all get left if I'm going light or just out for a quick trip.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Monday, October 18, 2010 5:47 PM
I can attest to the Pocket SAS Survival book as being good for stashing in a carry bag (mine's in my "Bauer bag"). ;)  That, and my pocket New Testament are always there for when the need arises, along with some of my lighter "accessories."

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Sunday, October 24, 2010 6:46 PM
What do you guys think of Les Stroud's "Survive!"?
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, November 04, 2010 6:22 PM
I have "Survive!", and the book is fantastic.  I keep it in my hiking bag as backup just in case!  The SAS survival guide is definitely more highly reputed, but I haven't had a chance to get my hands on it.  I do have the iPhone version of it, which isn't a direct copy like I expected, nonetheless it is useful.  
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:13 PM
I have the SAS Essential Survival manual by Barry Davies, but I don't like the way the book was physically put together. The binding is way too tight, so after reading it and flipping through it only a few dozen times, about half the pages separated from the spine and are just held in by me keeping the book closed. Not the best pack book, but decent information.

I've looked at the SAS Survival Manual (By Wiseman) every time I pass it by at Borders, maybe next time I'll just buy it.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:24 AM
If you guys like the SAS survival manual check out it's companion book the SAS combat manual. It has all the survival material as well as history,weapons,and combat tactics.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:18 AM
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I read it when it first came out.
Good book.
Lofty has a school in the UK, I keep meaning to go on a course there.


Been there, will return next autumn. Staff is very competent, well organized. I own both the big book and the tiny one.
School is highly recommended, and the stuff they sell is often at good prices too.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:51 AM
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graham_s


I read it when it first came out.
Good book.
Lofty has a school in the UK, I keep meaning to go on a course there.


Been there, will return next autumn. Staff is very competent, well organized. I own both the big book and the tiny one.
School is highly recommended, and the stuff they sell is often at good prices too.


do tell! how much does it cost to get in? i've been thinking about going to the blackwater special forces or sniper course but just havent gotten the cash together.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:00 AM
I agree with you. But when I try some skills from the book it took me a lot of time and testing to be successful. So I suggest you take the book in your back yard and test it. When you test things you will remember them just reading is not enough.

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Primitive living and survival skills
Primitive technology vol. 1.2.3...
and books from Rey Mears
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:07 AM
MM60


I definitely recommend reading the "SAS Survival Handbook".



I can't ENTIRELY agree that it's worth reading in the present(unless there's immediate benefits to be had now), but it's definitely worth buying and having at your disposal.

Right now, its value isn't much, but if ever disaster strikes, it will be worth millions.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:17 AM
I agree this is not a good book (SAS Essential Survival manual by Barry Davies "Bem")
very superficial and not enough pictures and drawings.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:18 AM
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I definitely recommend reading the "SAS Survival Handbook".



I can't ENTIRELY agree that it's worth reading in the present(unless there's immediate benefits to be had now), but it's definitely worth buying and having at your disposal.

Right now, its value isn't much, but if ever disaster strikes, it will be worth millions.


There is a word for people who start to prepare after the disaster strikes I think it is VICTIM.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:26 AM
I agree with "bushmann"
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:34 AM
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I definitely recommend reading the "SAS Survival Handbook".



I can't ENTIRELY agree that it's worth reading in the present(unless there's immediate benefits to be had now), but it's definitely worth buying and having at your disposal.

Right now, its value isn't much, but if ever disaster strikes, it will be worth millions.


There is a word for people who start to prepare after the disaster strikes I think it is VICTIM.


with all due respect, that's a superficial argument and more a debate of semantics; "preparation" is not black and white, where you're either completely prepared or not.  if i asked you to cite all the edible plants mentioned in the book, would u by memory, be able cite them now?  i don't think so.  or alternatively, can you please explain in specifics what would be considered being "prepared"?

having the book handy for reference is, to some degree, being prepared to the extent that i want to be.  that to me, is better than not being able to purchase the book later upon arrival of disaster, which to me would be considered as being unprepared.



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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:53 AM
Needing to know every edible plant listed and pictured in the book is not nearly as important as knowing the ones that are in the area where I live or may be when disaster strikes. Trying to acquire skills after an event is too late is all I am saying, if you think and do otherwise is your concern. Living in an area where there is a high probability of a natural disaster may mean that I am slightly more prepared to deal with it than someone who does not live in an area that is prone to earthquakes, and I understand that. Without going into particulars my family and I can sustain and defend ourselves for quite awhile, both here and at 2 alternate locations soon to be 3. I also know that the average city dweller does not have the storage capacity for long term self reliance that I have. So their requirements may be quite different than mine. Sure the book is great for reference, but I think it is much more important to have a working knowledge before hand, than it is to have a book on a shelf to use as a reference, that you may or may not be able to get to.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:59 AM
I'd rather be able to refresh my memory from something that I'd read earlier than to have the book and then have to read it to learn what I need to do to survive.

But, in all reality, if it is TEOTWAWKI, I'd rather be taken out in the first few minutes.  I have no desire to live in a world where merely surviving is a daily task.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:30 PM

in all reality, if it is TEOTWAWKI, I'd rather be taken out in the first few minutes. I have no desire to live in a world where merely surviving is a daily task.

 
this is what my general feeling is turning into. Just the other day, my sister was talking about nuclear war and how to survive it. I told her Id rather be caught in the blast wave and be vaporized than try to live in a world polluted with radiation and crazy people just trying to survive.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:56 PM
Katana



in all reality, if it is TEOTWAWKI, I'd rather be taken out in the first few minutes. I have no desire to live in a world where merely surviving is a daily task.

 
this is what my general feeling is turning into. Just the other day, my sister was talking about nuclear war and how to survive it. I told her Id rather be caught in the blast wave and be vaporized than try to live in a world polluted with radiation and crazy people just trying to survive.





I would definitely not want to have to deal with nuclear radiation, or any sort of chemical or biological attacks, but I imagine it would be pretty interesting and exciting to live in many other TEOTWAWKI situations. These could include Chinese forces invading the USA, an asteroid strike, an enormous solar flare that destroys all electronic circuits on Earth, or the exhaustion of petroleum. Today's society is so caught up in routines and bureocratic nonsense - I'm actually always hopeful that something will happen to turn things into a Mad Max world. I think the solar flare would be especially interesting; seeing as how most computers would be gone and people could no longer spend all their time texting and playing video games.

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Friday, January 21, 2011 9:52 AM

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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Friday, January 21, 2011 11:08 AM
I agree with Juregolec, while i am well prepared for the end of the world. I really dont want it to happen, that would suck.
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Re:SAS Survival Handbook - Monday, January 24, 2011 8:52 AM
I do. mostly because i normal jobs drive me nuts and i feel that everyday i would be able to wake up with one simple purpose. stay alive.