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5 items - Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:19 AM
I don't remember a thread about this but if there was one please forgive me.  With all this talk about BOBs I want to know if you had to be limited what would you take as your 5 primary items in a survival situation.  You can interpret that any way you want, wilderness, urban, end of the world, SHTF, etc.
     This wasn't originally my idea, Dave Canterbury from YouTube and now Duel Survivor deals with "kits" all the time.  I've got my gear set up in 1, 5, 10 and 20 piece kits.  The more materials, the more comfortable / long term.  So the question again:

     You are limited to 5 items that will cover all of your basic survival needs: shelter, fire, water, food, and anything else.  WHAT DO YOU CHOOSE?


My selection:
     1 - knife (large bowie either Trail master or my other one I love)

     2 - Rope (paracord and a good amount)

     3 - magnesium and flint (found at Walmart for a few bucks, works great)

     4 - metal water bottle (you can boil water in it)

     5 - heavy duty survival blanket / tarp.


I know there are many issues that will come into play like region, skill level, etc but for me, my location and where I go this works well.  Looking forward to learning from everyone else.
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Re:5 items - Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:11 AM
Mine would be pretty much the same as yours. If you could make some hooks out of branches or any debris found the inner strands of paracord would work as fishing line which would help take care of food.

1. Large fixed blade so either my TM, BK9 or Junglas.
2. Paracord, as much as I could comfortably carry.
3. ESEE Firesteel. It has a ferro rod with storage in the handle for a bit of tinder and has a button compass built into it.
4. Nalgene bottle
5. Tarp


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Re:5 items - Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:46 PM
again mine is very similar to the above
 
 1- san mai trail master
 
 2- paracord (100' bag) (make a makeshift bow string, internal strands for fishing line, lanyards, etc...)
 
 3- flint and steel (the magnesium one  as it has built in tinder)
 
 4- canteen 1L bottle/with sheath and dixie canteen (this is a cup/mess tin/cooking pot)
 
 5- bivie bag or tarp
 
the 5 items above allow me to cover the 5 necessities of survival (water, warmth, shelter, food, signalling)


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Re:5 items - Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:09 PM
for context: the theater is urban, and the most likely disaster scenario is
massive floods.

1 - large knife: Ontario SP10 Marine Raider
2 - Multitool: Leatherman Charge AL
3 - flashlight: Fenix LD-20
4 - flint & steel (+ tinder)
5 - Paracord

for me the main goal would be to move away from the danger area.
so i wanna be able to destroy doors, hotwire cars, see where i'm going,
and amuse myself making paracord bracelets and setting them on fire.

Haec olim meminisse iuvabit

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Re:5 items - Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:29 PM
DaveyJones,
     I love the ontario knives.  Other than my trail master my ontario is the knife I trust.  I just know I would get grief for that on this forum though.

        Interresting choices by the way.


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Re:5 items - Monday, August 02, 2010 2:45 AM
I carry at least 5 items everyday.

Knife
Hone
LED torch
ID
Lighter

These items will be on me whenever my pants are on. So, at least half the day.




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Re:5 items - Monday, August 02, 2010 6:03 PM
Grinder

Hone

 
Mate great idea, is it a fold up diamond rod, or one of the small pocket sharpener gadgets?( such as the Lansky pocket knife sharpener). This is one thing that I will definitely be adding to my EDC.


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  "The differance between Citizen(free men) and Civilian(slave) is firearm ownership"  Wave man
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Re:5 items - Monday, August 02, 2010 7:23 PM
I have a Smith's coarse/fine stone that stays in my BOB as well as a ceramic rod that have come in handy. I've seen some small stones that are great for daily pocket carry but I cant remember who makes them.
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Re:5 items - Monday, August 02, 2010 9:18 PM
Jet pack
  1. Large fixed blade(Trail Master/A2)
  2. 100' of 550
  3. Flint and steel
  4. Steel canteen
  5. Large tarp
 

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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 03, 2010 4:31 AM
1. Trailmaster SMIII
2. Lansky retractable diamond rod sharpener
3. Light My Fire Firesteel
4. Fish hooks (snelled)
5. 1qt canteen in steel cup in pouch



If my entire Trailmaster kit can count as one item, then I would bring:
1. Trailmaster (w/sharpener, Firesteel, and fish hooks/line/handle)
2. Camelbak M.U.L.E. in woodland camo
3. MSR water purifier
4. Steel canteen cup (w/heavy rubber band wrapped around it to silence the handles)
5. Silva Ranger compass

Or, to really be cool, I'd bring:
1. Trailmaster
2. Zippo
3. Sleeping bag
4. Compass
5. Thread and needle for sutures

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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 03, 2010 9:32 AM
Special forces shovel
eVent shell sleeping bag
Paracord
Fire starting (magnesium)
H2O bottle


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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:12 PM
MM60 I have to say, I love your trail master sheath set up, its a well thought out set up.


  "At close quarters Cold Steel has a decisive edge"  Lynn Thompson
  "The differance between Citizen(free men) and Civilian(slave) is firearm ownership"  Wave man
  Cold Steel Knives I own.. 
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:25 PM
1. Machete
2. Water filter
3. Flint and steel
4. My tube tent
5. Sleeping bag

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Re:5 items - Wednesday, August 25, 2010 9:33 PM
MM60 has the right idea, kit that sheath out and count it as 1 item.

I'd be pretty similar to everyone here:

1) large blade, sheath rigged with sharpener, ferro rod, para cord and small fishing kit.
2) ferro rod
3) SS canteen with cover
4) para cord
5)heavy sports blanket/ or poncho.

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Re:5 items - Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:30 PM
Wave Man and Maine1 - Thanks guys! Glad you like it! I've taken the new sheath on one trip so far and it really worked well. I haven't used the fishhooks yet, but the sharpener is excellent and the Sweedish Firesteel easily lights thin wood shavings. I've used my modified Trailmaster to build several shelters and baton plenty of firewood.

I don't know if anybody got the last part of my post #9 above, but that was referring to the stuff Rambo had in First Blood, except that I substituted Trailmaster for Lile knife.

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Re:5 items - Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:21 PM
1.) Laplander Saw
2.) Strike Force Fire Steel
3.) Small Nylon Tarp (fits in the palm of my hand)
4.) 18/8 Steel Water Bottle (medical grade)
5.) Pack (does that count or is this given?)
6.) 100 ft. Paracord


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Re:5 items - Friday, August 27, 2010 6:50 PM
You can throw pack in as clothing you already have on your back for now.  I suppose it really should count as an item though shouldn't it?
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Re:5 items - Saturday, August 28, 2010 6:32 PM
It should. According to Dave's 10 C's of survivability it counts, but I don't think most people count it as an item because it's most of the time given. That being said, if the pack does count as clothing I'm already wearing than might as well throw in the whole kit. I'll let you decide on that one Fox.
"Men are haunted by the vastness of eternity. And so we ask ourselves: will our actions echo across the centuries? Will strangers hear our names long after we're gone and wonder who we were, how bravely we fought, how fiercely we loved?"
 
"Cursed is the ground for your sake; 

In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.

Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.

In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”
Genesis 3:17-19

"Come and Take it."

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Re:5 items - Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:11 PM
Actually part of my thinking here is that most 5 items can be on the body at all times.  Since I'm a teacher, I can't fit it all in my clothing (and I can't carry a knife at all) but in my work bag / briefcase it's easy for me to fit my 5 items.
     I may opt for a space blanket instead of a tarp for size but that's about it.  Realistically choosing 5 items should give you the ability to have what you need for "survival" (not comfort) with you at all times.  I have these five items in my car, my wife's car, my motorcycle and with me at work (again other than the knife that I'm not allowed to have at my job).

     Think about it this way.  I usually have 2-3 paracord bracelets on, carry a water bottle, magnesium on my key chain and pocket knife.  The only thing that I don't have as a part of my clothing is the tarp which is the lowest of these 5 priorities (it saves insane time and energy but a debris hut can be built in the wild and there are many places in urban settings to shelter short term.

     But Starcruzer you are right it really should count.  Since I'm just having fun and getting info from people we'll let it go for now.  


     Just so you all know I asked a friend of mine this question.  His list was as follows

1- A Wallmart
2- A Best Buy
3- The Nuclear power plant we live by
4- A 5 star chef
5- His wife.

     I don't think he got the point 

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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:45 PM
I would pick the five following items:
Gerber camp axe
Fixed knife, Glock field with sawback
Water flask/bottle
paracord (Much as possible, at least 50 ft)
firestarter device Magnesium, etc.

As I would like to have more, this is just my top 5. The axe will do well for making a shelter, from chopping to hammering. The Glock knife with it's saw back blade can saw if needed.
While I own more Cold Steel knives than other brands, I was considering what I could call upon for "The least to do the most"
Just my thoughts...

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Re:5 items - Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:31 PM
I own more cold steel than anything else also and my EDC is cold steel but when called upon in this situation I like you turned to another company for my large knife.  The Trail Master would be my second choice and I need to use the trail boss before I make a decision on my camp ax.  It's O.K. to like and use other brands.  I think we are all fans here but we don't all need to be cool aid drinkers.
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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 11:53 AM
I will assume everyone who has posted to this thread is including clothes without counting them as a numbered item, because they tend to be my priority here in Arizona.

If I was allowed 5 items other than my clothing they would be:

1. Small axe (trail boss, gransfors and bruks small forest axe or any of cold steel's tomahawks would do)

2. Mora style knife (my prefered survival knife) I don't know why everyone thinks a big knife is a good choice for a survival knife. Probably because of Rambo.

3. Wool Blanket

4. Ferro rod

5. Paracord

(Note, all items above are optional but greatly appreciated)

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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 12:53 PM
My truck keys
My wallet
Extra cash
Folding knife
GPS

In my urbanized area of So Cal there's really to where to bug out to.  I gave up a long time ago on having a kit prepared.  Where I'm at my only real threats are from a fire or earthquake.  In the case of fire I'm not going camping anywhere, I'll most likely be at a Motel 6.  In the case of an earthquake big enough to make my residence collapse, I'll most likely be killed or any BOB/72 hour gear will be burried under debris.

For all other possibilities I'm going to be forced to shelter in place.  The freeways will be a giant parking lot and we detroyed California's eco system long ago so living off the land is futile. 

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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 2:49 PM
Laredo
Blast match
Swisschamp
Spool of Spiderwire (fishing and snares and bowstring etc) if hooks count as    seperate items then with the swisschamp I can make my own--so its oK.  Fishtraps work better anyhow and Spiderwire is useful for that too.
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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 2:56 PM
HUM To tell the truth I think I can do everything with just one item.
I chose 1 well stocked travel trailer.

The trouble with having an open mind, of course, is that people will insist on coming along and trying to put things in it.

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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 3:41 PM
1. OSI with attached fishing kit and stone.
2. Firesteel
3. camelbak
4. 100ft paracord
5. big wool blanket
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 too many cool guns and knives to buy and not enough money :P

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Re:5 items - Monday, December 13, 2010 9:51 PM
1. Hatchet/small axe
2. 3-4" fixed blade w/sheath mounted firesteel
3. paracord
4. billy can
5. Emergency blanket Tarp

That is actually 6 items, oh well.

I'd be lots happier with 10 items.

Simple things are best. 
       
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:07 AM
Depends on the situation - for a non-apocalypse scenario here in CZ, the worst survival situation here would be that I'll have to spend one night outdoors in the woods or mountains while on a trip. Except of the eastern mountain areas where couple bears live, there are no other animals to worry about. So what do I need to spend night outdoors? Well - nothing, unless it's really cold or raining. I can just sit down, try to have a nap and as soon as it's bright enough get up and go on. But sure, having a campfire, somethingh to eat and to keep you warm is always nice, so I'd pick a pack of matches or a lighter, something to eat+drink, blanket or army raincoat and I'll be ok. Maybe not the best night ever, but what else do I need? I don't like sleeping bags for lone outdoors, the idea of being helpless laying in a bag is just not good. And of course, I didn't count a knife, but I can hardly imagine a situation in which I won't have at least one.

If there was some harder scenario, well, then my gear would depend on the situation (war, civil war, pandemic, beer shortage...). Living of the land would still be possible here, of course in the less urbanized parts only, so then some fishing/hunting gear comes to the count, as well as axe/machete/shovel and other tools, plus guns of course.

Seriously guys, what's the paracord survival obsession all about???
I mean - yes, it's nice to have a piece of string or rope at hand, but I can't see the point counting it amongst the most essential survival gear. Unless you find the whole situation so messed up that you decide to hang yourself.
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:23 AM
  1. my finnish Pukko, (with a firesteel on the sheath)
  2. Bowsaw blade,
  3. billy can,
  4. Blanket,
  5. Roycroft pack frame,

The roycroft pack frame is a backpack I make myself (I was taught to do it by Mors Kochanski).
I keep my kit in it, and it's made of wood, a tarp, and paracord.
The wood frame of the pack turns into the frame for the bowsaw :-D
The tarp keeps the contents dry, and provides shelter.

I've used this setup as my entire kit for a weekend away with the Scouts, just to prove you don't need mountains of kit to stay comfortable.
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:32 AM
Knecht, you can use cordage to make shelter, make bows for firelighting or hunting, make spears and arrows, hang food away from critters, make clothing and bedding.  Paracord can be separated into finer strands, which makes it more versatile.  

I know you can make your own cordage, but it's nice to have some man-made stuff until you skills get good enough to rely on what mother nature provides.  The same goes for fire lighting.
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 7:45 AM
Paracord is not really good for bowstring. It tends to spread a bit. But anyway, I understand and I don't say it's useless. I also usually carry a piece of it somewhere in my bag. I just don't think it's so essential item for survival, that's all.
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:17 PM
I've made cordage, and quite frankly if I have room, I'm taking ready made stuff.
Making the stuff is very time consuming.
If the thought of doing something makes me giggle for more than 20 seconds, I should assume I'm not allowed to do it.
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:27 PM
Knecht--"I don't like sleeping bags for lone outdoors, the idea of being helpless laying in a bag is just not good."

I do use sleeping bags, but I did once have an animal come sit on my back while I was laying face down in the sleeping bag.  12 ga was arms length away--but its a pretty helpless feeling knowing SOMEthing with claws and teeth is sitting on you and you will have to roll over--get arms out of bag and juggle shotgun into position to somehow shoot something a foot or two from your face---if not IN your face by that time.   I THINK it was a coon.  (Raccoon)
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Re:5 items - Tuesday, December 14, 2010 1:43 PM
I live in Canada, so I'm going to assume this isn't during winter because if you drop almost anyone in the wilderness with nothing but 5 tools in Canadian Winter they're probably going to freeze to death and die 


So, assuming this is just a standard situation:


1. Gransfors Bruks Scandinavian Forest Axe.  (This is first and foremost for the Canadian wilderness) 
2. SMIII Trail Master.  Good for everything!
3. Canteen, Metal Canteen Cup, and Water Purification Tablets (I count this as one item because they go in one canteen case.  This is fairly standard)
4. Firesteel.com Deluxe Firesteel Tube Bunker.  Look these up.  They're 50 bucks, they come with the biggest, heavy duty ferro rod and scraper I've found on the market, is all enclosed, wrapped in 550 cord, with a built in Compass.  This has everything, the compass is accurate, and just in general this KICKS THE LIVING HELL out of the ones from lightmyfire and those companies!  This loses points in weight...but this is certainly weight I don't mind having!

Those 4 are standard in my opinion.

Now for 5, it would depend on what the season is

5a) Winter option: Sleeping bag and sleeping bag liner (stay together)
5b) Any other season: 10x10 Tarp

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