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Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Saturday, August 13, 2011 6:18 AM ( #1 )
http://www.gearupcenter.com/products/Crovel-.html
Makes my cold steel shovel look wimpy by comparison. but i dont know if it's worth the price tag.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Saturday, August 13, 2011 7:45 AM ( #2 )
I would pick the trail hawk over the war hammer, but FFS has a good point. I can see why it'd be a good idea for military and such, not taking up as much room.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Saturday, August 13, 2011 10:36 AM ( #3 )
I don't like shovels with hinges. If I needed it in an emergency, it would probably be folded and useless. And when I'm using them, the nut that keeps it locked in place usually finds a way to loosen up.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Saturday, August 13, 2011 2:55 PM ( #4 )
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This sort of tool has been visited several times.  Personally I wouldn't carry it.  Too many Tasks centralized into one tool that can break or get damaged.

It's a 5.5 pound Shovel.  For the same weight and cost you could carry:

Cold Steel Kukuri Machete
Cold Steel Special Forces Shovel
Cold Steel Warhammer
Cold Steel Bowie Blade Bushman

Which Load Out would you want in a pinch?  Would you go with the single Crovel or the Four Items from Cold Steel.


A bit heavy for packing yes but would be very handy to throw in your vehicle.  Or to have around the house especially if you have a teenager who needs some exercise to do the swinging. 

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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Saturday, August 13, 2011 5:50 PM ( #5 )
I guess the spike on the german folding shovel can do the same.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:02 AM ( #6 )
Just what I want for digging holes and cutting down weeds - an ill-balanced 5.5 lbs lump of metal. 
 
Has anyone else here used a standard US Forestry Service - style Pulaski axe? That's the axe with a grub hoe on the back where the spike is on a fireman's axe.  The Pulaski has a 3.75 lbs head on a 36" sledgehammer handle, so it weighs almost 6 lbs with not bad balance.  For digging out tree stumps, it's a great tool.  You use the grub hoe to dig out around the stump and rip out small tree roots.  Then when you expose the big roots, you chop them with the axe.  Then you slide the hoe under the stump and lever it up until the next set of roots show.  Repeat until done.
 
The Pulaski works a treat on those stumps.  It's also a pure stone bitch to use for any length of time, and I would never pick it for anything BUT grubbing out stumps.  Use something of similar weight and balance for ordinary digging and brush clearing?  No frigging way.
 
And I thought the video of the guy using his Crovel as a grappling hook was cute too.  What is he, a shot-putter?  If I need to get a line up somewhere, I'm not going to whirl a 5.5lb weight around and up to do it.
 
If you really 'need' a 'multi-use' shovel other than the Cold Steel Special Forces one, try the folding Chinese military one instead.  It weighs about the same as the CS SF Shovel (or any other normal, sensible digging tool) and has functions that more or less work and make sense in a backpack/emergency tool.  The shovel looks like it's built as well as most military wood-handled folding shovels and will dig as well as any, will chop better than most because of the reinforced steel side edge, and also functions passably as a wire cutter or stretcher, a hammer and even a grappling hook, although probably nowhere near as well as dedicated tools of those types.  For long-term durability, especially in chopping, I expect the FS shovel will beat the pants off the Chinese shovel because the pivot pin is an automatic weak point, but I think the Crovel shares that problem.  And at least you won't die of a heart attack using the Chinese one.  
     
Or get the folding German one that doesn't claim to be anything but a shovel and pick.  I've carried one in my car(s) for 20 years to dig out of snow and mud and it's never failed yet.  Or even - stunned shock - the current US/Nato metal tri-fold one. 
 
I think there's a reason no military in the world equips its forces with Crovels.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Tuesday, August 16, 2011 7:29 AM ( #7 )
sure the military doesnt use crovels but then again just because you can stab someone with a sharpened screwdriver doesnt mean you should carry one.lol I was just saying that as far as uses go this is a rather interesting tool.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:18 AM ( #8 )
Yep I have used a Pulaski axe.  Powerful tool for its purpose.  As you say--lousy for other things.
Its why there are tack hammers and claw hammers and sledge hammers.  You can drive one nail with any of them if you have to.  But for an all day job you want the right kind of hammer.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Tuesday, August 16, 2011 11:55 AM ( #9 )
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I don't like shovels with hinges. If I needed it in an emergency, it would probably be folded and useless. And when I'm using them, the nut that keeps it locked in place usually finds a way to loosen up.


This! I hate folding shovels, they always get loose.
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Tuesday, August 16, 2011 2:44 PM ( #10 )
I'd get a Predator Tools shovel long before I got one of those monstrosities.

How are you supposed to use the crowbar? They welded a big stupid useless scrap of metal to the back of it so you can't lever anything properly.

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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Wednesday, August 17, 2011 4:18 AM ( #11 )
I see we're all too late now anyway.  As of August 15, 2011, the Crovel is no longer available for sale.
 
Is this because the company realized it was a bad idea?  NO. It's because they have just come out instead with the CROVEL EXTREME, for a mere $109.00 instead of $98.00.  It has all the goodness (and weight) of the original Crovel PLUS: 
 
1.  A HOLLOW HANDLE to store your matches, fishhooks, water purification tablets, and other essential survival knickknacks (everything that used to be stuck in the hollow handles of those Rambo survival knives, but with 14 inches of storage space instead of the wimpy 5 or 6 you get in a knife).  The handle is closed by a threaded aluminum plug.
 
2.    A bigger hammerhead.
 
3.    A longer pry claw on the crowbar end with the tip modified to be a woodworking chisel
 
4.    As a custom option, for just an extra $12.00, a conical spike tip to replace the standard flat screw-threaded handle plug.
 
5.    Finally, for an extra $36.00, a kydex belt sheath for your Crovel together with a slip-on cover for that woodworking chisel edge on the pry bar.  The sheath, by the way, adds an extra 1.2 lbs to the package.
 
A few random thoughts about the 'improvements', apart from the 10% increase in price:
 
1.  Anything you store in the handle adds even more to the 5.5 lbs weight of the tool.
 
2.  Do you really want to put critical first aid medicines and possibly delicate survival aids in the handle of a tool intended to be used to slam into things?
 
3.  The access plug to the handle of supplies is located at the prybar's fulcrum, right where it will get jammed down every time the tool is used as a lever.
 
4.  The accessory spike tip is no doubt meant for 'weapons use' as it gives you a sharp tip on the 'butt' of your shovel.  It also sticks up in the middle of your shovel handle and/or your prybar fulcrum.  You won't be able to remove the spike for tool use either without exposing the contents of the hollow handle to dirt or loss, unless of course,  you remember to carry the original flat plug with you in a pocket, .
 
5.  The prybar end is your shovel handle.  Do you really want a sharp chisel on the edge of your shovel handle where you can cut your hand to the bone if you slip while digging?
 
6.  How exactly do you use a woodworking chisel anyway, when it has a 5 pound crowbar/shovel sticking out from its side?
 
7.  For $109.00 you don't even get a cheap nylon carrying sheath? 
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Re:Why didnt we think of this? a crovel. - Wednesday, August 17, 2011 3:37 PM ( #12 )
Amazing! They took an already bad idea and made it "better."

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