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Speaking of survival... - Friday, February 17, 2012 5:53 PM ( #1 )
...this dude has a rather unique method of doing so.
 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Friday, February 17, 2012 7:22 PM ( #2 )
It seems like about half of the comments beneath the article consist of people supporting and defending the thief/vandal/litterer/trespasser. Many of them are making wild assumptions such as that the guy is a disgruntled veteran because he's carrying what looks like a KaBar on his belt, although he's most likely stolen everything he's wearing and carrying - including the knife. They're also criticizing the victims - who's cabins the guy broke into - for leaving them unattended with firearms inside (locked in gun cabinets - which the guy pried open) and for simply being wealthy enough to own second homes in the mountains, rather than critizing the criminal. It's like the majority of our society doesn't realize that most wealthy people worked hard for what they have, and that it's only a small percentage of the rich who made their gains immorally. I'm not the least bit rich, but I certainly think that rich people have the right to earn all the money they like and to do as they please with it. And just because people are wealthy, that doesn't make it any less wrong to steal or destroy their property. I personally don't understand how people can be so misled by jealousy. I hope one of the cabin owners is home and armed when the "mountain man" breaks in, and puts him out of every one else's misery.

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Re:Speaking of survival... - Friday, February 17, 2012 8:02 PM ( #3 )
I try to avoid the comments sections of most online articles, but it's not surprising he got lots of support. There are plenty of idiots out there who think they have a "right" to the fruit of others' labor. 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:46 AM ( #4 )
I personally think he is a thief and darn thug. Need to be arrested, and sent to prison. If he screws with the right person, shot. You don't go around stealing from others.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 18, 2012 10:48 AM ( #5 )
Yeah from the comments most people seem to think that he is some kind of Robin Hood, he isnt he is really just a better armed smarter Hobo. 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:03 AM ( #6 )
it would be interesting if they caught him. From the sound of things and how his camp was set up I'm willing to bet he is ex military because his tactics match with what they teach you in some of the training.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:43 AM ( #7 )
Scott,
Thank you for posting the link. Seems kind of like the Canadian trapper Albert Johnson, though more in your face type of harassing actions to others in his area.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Sunday, February 19, 2012 4:29 PM ( #8 )
I hate to admit it, but I had to look up Albert Johnson. There are some definite parallels between the stories.  I'm gonna have to read more on Johnson.  Very interesting story.   


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Re:Speaking of survival... - Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:19 PM ( #9 )
There was a mid to early eighties movie with Charles Bronson playing Him called Death Hunt. I do not know how close the movie was to actual events.

A few months back Back Woodsman Magazine (Nov.Dec. 2011, Vol 32, No. 6) had an article on Johnson and the whole story revolved around him evading the Canadian Mounties for 45 days and some other info. Specifically "The Mad Trapper of Rat River" by **** North who spent some extensive time researching Johnson.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:04 AM ( #10 )
Update:
The guy's name is Troy James Knapp, 44yr old ex-con from Idaho, guilty of burglaries in the past.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Thursday, February 23, 2012 11:23 AM ( #11 )
What an a$$! Problem is if he gets caught and sent to prison he just becomes another drain on our economy. I agree with MM60, dude needs to be shot in the act.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:10 PM ( #12 )
Wraith Blade


Update:
The guy's name is Troy James Knapp, 44yr old ex-con from Idaho, guilty of burglaries in the past.
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damn! they found out my other alias! lol
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:25 PM ( #13 )
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damn! they found out my other alias! lol

 

 
 
Thanks for the update, Wraith.

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Re:Speaking of survival... - Thursday, February 23, 2012 6:39 PM ( #14 )
That the kind of guy who make me puke, and it is one of my worse fear. i want to have a cabin, with every resource i need to stay there for "a while" in case i need to be in a quiet place. 

but i'm afraid it would attract vulture. 

if a guy like that would be sneaking around mine, you can be sure, there will be big salt cartridge waiting for him. and i could have forgot some trap laying around the cabin. sorry, bad memory i forgot them. 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Friday, February 24, 2012 5:00 PM ( #15 )
azrael if u have the fund you can hire a house sitter. if you have a prepper friend they might do it for free.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Friday, February 24, 2012 9:22 PM ( #16 )
sounds like a good life to me lol
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:07 AM ( #17 )
Yeah this guy's a criminal by our current ethics and social mores but in a survival experience he is an avant garde. If we were placed in his shoes we would be just as thieving as he is. If you don't believe you are capable of looting its only because you have been protected and sheltered from a hard life and you aren't able to see past your bubble of self righteousness. I hope he's caught and writes a book from prison.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:26 AM ( #18 )
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Yeah this guy's a criminal by our current ethics and social mores but in a survival experience he is an avant garde. If we were placed in his shoes we would be just as thieving as he is. If you don't believe you are capable of looting its only because you have been protected and sheltered from a hard life and you aren't able to see past your bubble of self righteousness. I hope he's caught and writes a book from prison.





if you have to do burgary, steal others ressources , break in others shelf . to survive, it mean that you prepardness was weakly prepared. 


prepardness is suppose to prepare youself to live by yourself without having to break the law to survive. you can be sure i will preffer to do exchange with survivor than steal/and or kill them.


so this "survivalist" is a big fail in my book if he count on stealing others. 


a real survivalist would have prepare his shelter to be able to survive on his own without having to have contact with other people. 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:51 AM ( #19 )
So if a homeless guy comes into your house when you're not there and eats your food, steals your guns, and leaves a note to 'get out of my city,' he's an urban survivorist who should right books?  Avant garde?!  Seriously? 

There was a short period in my life when I was homeless.  I slept in my car in a public park, washed myself in a public bathroom and went to go find a job and put myself through college.  I've gone days without food slept on someone's trash matress, but never thought it was all right to walk into someone else's home and take stuff.
It's never right to steal from others, even in WROL world.  If you think it's ok to steal because you feel you're destitute and trying to survive, you're just a criminal with an self-righteous excuse.  Looting is never right.  Are you willing to let looters take your baby's food, parents' needed medicine, or your livelihood because they think they're entitled to what you sacrificed for?
In a world with laws, I would have you arrested if you were caught stealing.  World WROL, you may be shot or killed for looting.  However, if someone wanted to work for food or needed survival supplies, I would be willing to share, even if it was my last cup of water.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 12:57 AM ( #20 )
so i think most people here will agree that, this guy is a danger, and a waste of time and money, if he froze to death it will make no one sad, and i wish he will not be taken alive as , us the citizen will have to pay to keep him alive in jail. 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:04 AM ( #21 )
No, Wraithblade, stealing is wrong in today's society. I already said that I hope this guy does get caught. But in survival situations stealing is not wrong. But as an advocate of theft in times of duress, I recognize my responsibility to safeguard my loved ones and possessions. i recently watched a documentary on life in Nazi death camps and the nice old lady being interviewed said that there was no one, including her, who did not resort to "animal" behavior in order to survive.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:21 AM ( #22 )
As for survival a Malcolm X quote comes to mind. "...any means necessary." Now, I'm not saying go nuts because even in WROL, social structures must be maintained as much as practically possible.
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:30 AM ( #23 )
So she would become a Nazi herself in order to survive?  That old lady lied.  There were ones not willing to resort to "animal" behavior in order to survive.  They chose to die rather than to become what they hated.  Where is the line for survival justification?  Taking their food ok, when they're starving, because I'm stronger than they and I need to survive?  How about killing her own people, including her family or friends?  If you can't respect my life, my possessions, and my loved ones, then you're not entitled to have what is yours. 
Stealing what others have is and will always be wrong; from caveman days to whatever society the future may bring.  
Why even learn to survive if you're willing to take from others when you're in need?  All you need is guns and ammo and willingness to kill others who truely know how to survive.  
I'm glad we have the laws, weapons, and training to defend ourselves from these type of "survivalists." 
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Re:Speaking of survival... - Saturday, February 25, 2012 1:57 AM ( #24 )
Stealing was and is not always wrong. I admit there are varying severities of theft, from stealing a piece of gum from a friend's car to stealing pension funds. Our country was founded on theft of land and resources from the pre-existing nations and tribes. It was justified as "manifest destiny". Some of those tribes were very comfortable with taking horses from other tribes; and those who stole horses were applauded for it. stealing goods from conquered enemies was.the norm for most societies across history and geography. And no, Wraithblade the lady did not become a Nazi. She was a Hungarian jew. she couldn't be a Nazi even if she wanted to. I'm sorry you said she lied, I wish you could see her speak for yourself before you accuse her of not being honest about a horrible time in her life.
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