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Potassium permanganate - Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:24 PM ( #1 )
Potassium permanganate is a very handy think to carry with you all the time
It is water purifier
Ad enough that water becomes pink wait 30 min
Medicine
To treat fungal diseases ad water to get dark violet solution. Rub solution on the effected area.
To make fire
Take a tea spoon of Potassium permanganate.
 Put it in a paper and make a bundle or put it in a grass bundle and ad a few drops o glycerin (from your car cooling system or glycerin suppositories medicine to lover the body temperature mix with water) or ad a few drops sulfuric acid from your car battery. Wait for a few seconds
Take potassium permanganate 2/3 and sugar 1/3 put it on a hard flat surface mix it and rub it with knife

I  forgot. It is also good for making distress signals on snow

 
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:11 AM ( #2 )
Any idea where i can get any?
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Tuesday, February 08, 2011 9:54 AM ( #3 )
@milsurpgeek, you might try www.chemicalstore.com they sell by the lb etc. I was also looking to get some ,in typing on where to get it there is a 5min youtube on how to make it, hope this helps some.p.s. would be good to know someone who works at a water treatment plant as they have 50 gal drums of it!! well at least they use a lot of it for sure.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:26 AM ( #4 )
In Europe you can buy it in any pharmacy so I think in the USA should be the same
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 8:55 AM ( #5 )
@sly55573- sweet! they also have all the stuff i need for making other fun things.
@juregolec- that's possible but for some odd reason alot of the stuff in european pharmacies is illegal in the states. probably cause some of it can be used for other nefarious deeds. but it's worth a check.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:11 AM ( #6 )
@milsurpgeek, glad that site worked out for ya, I know the chem. companies watch certain orders that items orderd together & "mixed" well you get the idea I was looking for some iodine crystals a few years ago to make some ammonium nitrogen tri-Iodide with my homemade still , just for a little snap-crackle-pop very best fulminate I can make, BTW it was JUST to rid some rats(the 4 legged kind) out of my barn once dry a feather will set it off!!! good luck , be safe & wear those googles!!!!!!
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:30 AM ( #7 )
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@milsurpgeek, glad that site worked out for ya, I know the chem. companies watch certain orders that items orderd together & "mixed" well you get the idea I was looking for some iodine crystals a few years ago to make some ammonium nitrogen tri-Iodide with my homemade still , just for a little snap-crackle-pop very best fulminate I can make, BTW it was JUST to rid some rats(the 4 legged kind) out of my barn once dry a feather will set it off!!! good luck , be safe & wear those googles!!!!!!


that's why i just order different parts through many companies instead of one. though i just recently found out most of the supplies needed like sulfuric acid can be found at walmart. ah what a crazy world we live in. in the words of burt gummer "not much can't be fixed with the liberal application of plastic exsplosives."
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:41 AM ( #8 )

that's why i just order different parts through many companies instead of one.
thats tha way I dude it
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:53 AM ( #9 )
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@sly55573- sweet! they also have all the stuff i need for making other fun things.
@juregolec- that's possible but for some odd reason alot of the stuff in european pharmacies is illegal in the states. probably cause some of it can be used for other nefarious deeds. but it's worth a check.


did you ask in pharmacy or in a drugstore

from Wikipedia

Uses

Almost all applications of potassium permanganate exploit its oxidizing properties.[2] As a strong oxidant that does not generate toxic byproducts, KMnO4 has many niche uses.
Potassium permanganate is one of the principal chemicals used in the film and television industries to "age" props and set dressings. Its oxidising effects create "hundred year old" or "ancient" looks on hessian cloth, ropes, timber and glass.[3] It was used on props and sets in films such as "Troy", "300" and "Indiana Jones".[citation needed]

[edit] Disinfectant and water treatment

As an oxidant, potassium permanganate can act as an antiseptic. For example, dilute solutions are used to treat canker sores (ulcers), disinfectant for the hands and treatment for mild pompholyx, dermatitis,[4][5] and fungal infections of the hands or feet.[6] Potassium permanganate is used extensively in the water treatment industry. It is used as a regeneration chemical to remove iron and hydrogen sulfide (rotten egg smell) from well water via a "Manganese Greensand" Filter. "Pot-Perm" is also obtainable at pool supply stores, is used additionally to treat waste water. Historically it was used to disinfect drinking water.[7][8] It currently finds application in the control of nuisance organisms such as Zebra mussels in fresh water collection and treatment systems.[9]

[edit] Biomedical uses

Related to the use of KMnO4 for water treatment, this salt is often employed as a specialized disinfectant for treating human and animal ailments. In histology, it is used to bleach melanin which obscures tissue detail. Potassium permanganate can also be used to differentiate amyloid AA from other types of amyloid pathologically deposited in body tissues. Incubation of fixed tissue with potassium permanganate will prevent amyloid AA from staining with congo red whereas other types of amyloid are unaffected.[10][11] Permanganate washes were once used to treat gonorrhea[12] and are still used to treat candidiasis.[13]

[edit] Organic synthesis

Aside from its use in water treatment, the other major application of KMnO4 is as a reagent for the synthesis of organic compounds.[14] Significant amounts are required for the synthesis of ascorbic acid, chloramphenicol, saccharin, isonicotinic acid, and pyrazinoic acid.[2]

[edit] Fruit Preservation

Addition of potassium permanganate substrated to banana shipments adsorbs the ethylene and doubles the fruit ripening period (see banana entry for more details).

[edit] Survival kits

In the past potassium permanganate was included in survival kits: as a fire starter,[15] water sterilizer and for creating distress signals on snow.[16]

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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 10:58 AM ( #10 )
Still check out some of the cleaners and automotive chems at the local walmart. you'll be surprised at what you find.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 12:51 PM ( #11 )
thank you for that info @juregolic, so many things potassium permanganate is usefull for, medical,water purification, use for a quick firestarter, a life saveing chem. all the wayIMHO, adding it to my BOB as we speak, the hydrogen sulfide you mentioned was the reason I didnt use my grand parents old well, I droped a rope w/ a weight down to the bottom & pulled it back up & the water mark on the rope was only 2or3ft deep, and you could smell the toxic HS , thats when I had a DEEP well dug, dont want to take a chance with hydrogen sulfide xxx
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:14 PM ( #12 )
Another place to find it, It's often sold by aquarium supply stores as tropical fish owners use it.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Wednesday, February 09, 2011 2:58 PM ( #13 )
@grahm-s , thats the one place that WILL have it 4 sure for the tropical fish tanks, most of the pharmacies dont have it here not that its toxic far,far, from it just that they dont have that big of a demand 4 it, ahh if they only knew, most of the compounding pharmacies know how great of a chem. it is but they have the same problem.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Thursday, February 10, 2011 5:04 AM ( #14 )
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...... would be good to know someone who works at a water treatment plant as they have 50 gal drums of it!! well at least they use a lot of it for sure.
I work at a water treatment plant and it is one of the chemicals we sometimes use. It's a pain in the butt to mix and pump, and it's expensive, so we use it only when we have to. There's always a bunch of legal worries whenever trying to "borrow" chemicals. It was a big deal when we wanted to give another water treatment plant in the area some KMnO4 when they ran out several years ago. I don't recall what the exact issues were, but I know the management staff had some big meeting over the issue when my inclination as an operator was to tell them "Sure, send somebody over to grab a pail."
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Thursday, February 10, 2011 7:43 AM ( #15 )
I saw this on survivorman, if I can find a clip of it I'll link it to the thread.  

From Discovery Channel "Potassium permanganate stored in a waterproof container is a great multipurpose survivor tool. It has a number of uses.
A couple of grains added to water will purify it, and a few more grains will turn the water to antiseptic. Mixed with sugar, it is an excellent fire-starter or smoke signal. A few grains can be placed on a sheet of old newsprint and dowsed with a little antifreeze. If the paper is quickly balled up, it will burst into flames. Finally, a few grains can be used in a solution to stain wood or to stain snow as an emergency marker."
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Thursday, February 10, 2011 8:42 AM ( #16 )
Personally if i want an effective signal marker i just set a couple trees ablaze. nothing says "HERE I AM!" like a couple fur trees burning.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:19 AM ( #17 )

There's always a bunch of legal worries whenever trying to "borrow" chemicals. It was a big deal when we wanted to give another water treatment plant in the area some KMnO4
I hear ya don,its always a pain in the butt with chemicals, management Iam sure will have hazmat guidelines they must stay within & Iam sure cost of the KMnO4 may also have a lot to do with loaning some to another plant,although a safe chem an expensive one for sure.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Sunday, June 26, 2011 11:49 AM ( #18 )
Like Sudafed (Pseudoephedrine), a common decongestant, asking for Potassium Permanganate can get you the hairy eyeball in certain areas. It is apparently used, as Sudafed is, in the home-made production of certain unsavory chemical concoctions that people get high upon.

I first encountered it in Penrith Survival Kits and then later on in a Survival Kit from Australia's Bob Cooper. "PotPerm" is also known as "Condy's Crystals," which is what it was listed as in Cooper's Aussie Survival Kit.

It's a terrific and impressive fire-making aid with Glycerin and (100% only!) cottonballs, as has been pointed out. While handling it with my bare fingertips years ago I noticed a tingling sensation in my fingertips that persisted for quite a few minutes just by having contact with very, very few grains of this chemical. This is not something that I would want to purify water with unless the alternative was death, period. Katadyn Micro-Pur and plain, old Potable-Aqua Brand Iodine-based tablets and other chemicals and devices are my primary purification gear.

The only guides I have been able to find are various SAS manuals that mention it, by John Wiseman and Barry Davies, both former SAS Troopers.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Friday, July 01, 2011 8:06 PM ( #19 )
Wiseman's guide does a good job with these chemicals (actually I like a lot of his writing).

I live in one of the areas where asking for this from the pharmacy isn't going to work.  on the bright side as a science teacher I can order directly from manufacturers.  On the down side it's expensive.  I couldn't go through a bulk shipment of potassium permanganate in a lot of camp fires.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Friday, July 01, 2011 9:42 PM ( #20 )
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Like Sudafed (Pseudoephedrine), a common decongestant, asking for Potassium Permanganate can get you the hairy eyeball in certain areas. It is apparently used, as Sudafed is, in the home-made production of certain unsavory chemical concoctions that people get high upon.

I first encountered it in Penrith Survival Kits and then later on in a Survival Kit from Australia's Bob Cooper. "PotPerm" is also known as "Condy's Crystals," which is what it was listed as in Cooper's Aussie Survival Kit.

It's a terrific and impressive fire-making aid with Glycerin and (100% only!) cottonballs, as has been pointed out. While handling it with my bare fingertips years ago I noticed a tingling sensation in my fingertips that persisted for quite a few minutes just by having contact with very, very few grains of this chemical. This is not something that I would want to purify water with unless the alternative was death, period. Katadyn Micro-Pur and plain, old Potable-Aqua Brand Iodine-based tablets and other chemicals and devices are my primary purification gear.

The only guides I have been able to find are various SAS manuals that mention it, by John Wiseman and Barry Davies, both former SAS Troopers.





My pharmacist didn't blink an eye she looked it up on the computer and told me she could get it and the glyceren. she asked me what I wanted it for, but that was it.


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Re:Potassium permanganate - Saturday, July 02, 2011 9:23 AM ( #21 )
Can you get individual foil packets or tablets?
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Saturday, July 02, 2011 10:18 AM ( #22 )
@DBR, I live in TX and have yet to find a pharmacy who even has it or much less order some -:(  its like the sudafed they keep it behind the counter now thanks to the meth cook's, but I am not comparing it to that in no way, the chemical company's will sell it no problem. It only takes a hand full of idiots to screw things up for those who have a legitimate use for it.
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Re:Potassium permanganate - Saturday, July 02, 2011 11:14 AM ( #23 )
I know - all points in agreement.

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