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MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Saturday, November 23, 2013 5:47 AM ( #1 )
Last weekend I was in Germany with a friend I know from my hunting parties in
the former East Germany.
He invited me to a special training from MKA, this is a new upcoming “sport”.
Which is an underground kind of thing, because you can only joy when you’re invited.
MKA stands for Mixed Killing Arts. It is the ultimate way of defending yourself.
 
I’ve been with them a whole day and trained in this “sport”, from what I saw I can
tell you that I don’t see it as a sport, it’s a dangerous development in thinking and
acting. This is how it went.
 
I came in a large old factory hall, it was about 120 yards long. We where greeted by
three former East German soldiers. I’ve seen a lot of different kind of trainers from
several kinds of sports, but those man where a complete other kind of breed.
They where calm, polite but all there ways just screamed “killing machines”, during
the training this first impression was confirmed.
 
The whole context of this “sport” was explained to us. It came down to just this: how
to survive all fights. And they didn’t mean by nice or sportive ways, no by all means
necessary.
 
The way they think and train is this: Never go unarmed into a fight, the least you carry is
a large knife or an axe. Than a gun, a bow or crossbow, a riffle and as a last resort a sniper riffle.
If you face an unarmed opponent you use a knife or axe, if they carry a knife, you use a gun.
If he’s dangerous at close range you take him down with a crossbow or bow, if is has to be
done at a longer range you’ll use a riffle, and if you need to put someone down at a very long
distance you’ll use the sniper riffle.
 
No chances for your opponent, no fair play, just plain last man standing idea. It’s really training in how to kill, not how to fight.
 
During the day we started out with knife and axe fighting. Sparring with each other which
was fun to do, as this is a normal way to train for a fight.
After that we shot with several kinds of guns, crossbows, bows, riffles and two kind of sniper riffles.
Our targets where popping up from the ground, from the walls and even came down from the ceiling, moving from left to right and visa versa.
 
I have to admit, just the training in shooting and so was fun, but why those people where learning it wasn’t. They really believe in this, it doesn’t matter to them that they have to kill
an unarmed person. The only thing they believe in is winning at all costs, even if that means
that they can get caught and go to jail, that doesn’t matter, there enemy is gone and that’s all
they want.
 
The trainers where extremely hard in their way of fighting ( this I can accept ) but also in their way of thinking. The way they talk and so is more like indoctrination than training. It was like
they where back in East Germany, or worse, back in 1939.
 
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Saturday, November 23, 2013 10:11 AM ( #2 )
I haven't heard of or seen a fair bout that end's in the way of shaking hands and going their seperate ways in quite sometime...... IMO Unarmed or not...the person that got beat will come back armed or with many friends when it isn't expected to even the score... Primal instinct dictates that we finish any threat to our survival...... Bowing to each other or shaking hands doesn't guarantee that anymore.... Retaliation is the way of the world now whether we like it or not.
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:09 AM ( #3 )
I'd say that this genuinely is a martial art. We all know that martial art means art of Mars, who was a god of war not sport. War is all about killing the enemy. Learning karate at the mall isn't really martial arts. Anything for "points" or competition is not really a martial art. If you survive unscathed, then you "win", if you die or are injured you "lose". In this way, its harsh, but perhaps necessarily so. That being said, you can take it too far pretty easily. I think it takes a lot of mental discipline to find a balance between being ready to fight for your life (which might mean killing) and being a "killer".
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Sunday, November 24, 2013 4:01 PM ( #4 )
A fight , any fight , is a terrible affair and IMHO there is no place for niceties of any kind , while I will do my best to avoid a fight I am aware that a fight  can choose me at anytime and there is only one way I want to end it ; with me alive and my opponent unable to harm me then or later , I know , I know , you'll have to face the police and the law that wasn't there to protect you in your time of need but my other choice is being the dead body carried to the morgue while my attacker gets away or gets a slap in the wrist , no thank you .
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:24 PM ( #5 )
Right on!!!
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Sunday, November 24, 2013 5:28 PM ( #6 )
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Monday, November 25, 2013 12:42 AM ( #7 )
i understand what you all mean. But keep in mind that in Germany people aren't allowed to carry guns or even some sort of knives.
So this way of fighting comes from a country that doesn't have the American way of live.

i agree, in a fight i'll do anything to survive. But when i got beaten up in a fight, i don' t come back with a gun, or shoot that person from a distance. And that is what this is all about. In any kind of fight you'll be the one who lives, your oponent is the one who is dead. 
He will not survive the fight. So IMHO it is way out of proportions.

I got punched in the face, so i stab him to death,  I got beaten up by i guy who knows karate, so i take my gun and shoot him, or from a distance with my crossbow.

That is not the way.
Si vis pacem, para bellum. If you want peace, prepare a war.

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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Monday, November 25, 2013 10:07 AM ( #8 )
+ 1. Sounds a bit like that kind of mentality that you find in those wide spreading biker gangs (not only in germany, but also other parts of europe and turkey as well). In the eastern parts of germany there are/were whole areas that are/were getting terrorized by fashist groups and who call these areas "freed zones". Then again, there seem to be a lot of different paramilitary organisations that seem to be preparing for a fight against whoever. I guess this phenomenon is known also in the US.
For as we are not all of a single nature, so we also cannot have a single style in combat, yet all must nonetheless arise and be derived from a single basis. - Joachim Meyer: Gründtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens, 1570
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:28 AM ( #9 )
I think learning to use the weapons and do all the drills was interesting.
But the environment and company seems a bit off.
I wouldn't feel well with these people too.
 
Seems that Western Europe is living in a bubble.
In never heard of the freed zones in eastern Germany, that's a day's drive away.
Seems that the rest of the world has a better view on the rise of fascism in Europe.
 
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Re:MKA ( Mixed Killing Arts ) a dangerous development in Germany - Thursday, November 28, 2013 3:27 AM ( #10 )
For as we are not all of a single nature, so we also cannot have a single style in combat, yet all must nonetheless arise and be derived from a single basis. - Joachim Meyer: Gründtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens, 1570

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