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Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Sunday, May 01, 2011 2:02 PM ( #1 )
This item seems to be a really good tool for small game and I would love to take one with me into the wild but I hear it is illegal in CA. Can I legally buy one? Is it illegal to possess or to carry around? If it looks so much like a pole I could very well carry it in a survival situation when I am in the mountains to discretely hunt rabbits, birds, or squirrels. Maybe a good slingshot might be more appropriate here in CA.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 9:32 AM ( #2 )
Illegal to possess or even have darts for one. Like so many other things I'm sure somewhere back in time there was a fear of this item, but as I am sure you know getting the legislature to change something (that makes little to no sense) is like squeezing rocks to get water.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 11:04 AM ( #3 )
Chabochi, sorry about the whole california thing. That's a bummer. IMO tho you are better off with the sling shot. I have and enjoy a CS blow gun and have taken some chipmunks with it. Others Have taken much larger and are much better than I. I have a sling shot that I put in my pack every time I go out now. With steel (lead is better) 3/8" or 1/4" shot it packs much more punch than the BG. I've even done the "slingbow" mod and tested it as well. This and add a bow fishing rig and it'll do quite alot. I feel like it is a better game getter but that's just an opinion.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 11:41 AM ( #4 )
Chuck Yeager took a slingshot with him on all his flights and on elk hunts and such.  Took small game with it for the pot on elk hunts (and I presume other hunts)  and took it on flights in case he went down.  Just a forked stick type.  So, all sympathy Chabochi--but if you can 'only' use a sling shot, you are still in good company.

Incidentally, if you read somewhere that a SLUNGshot is illegal.  That is not the same thing.   That means a 'sap'  a bunch of lead shot 'slung' in a sock to whop people on the head with.  Often illegal. 
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 2:13 PM ( #5 )
^^ Absolute power with the sling shot! I have the wrist rocket sling shot and agree ,with lead shot will penetrate through a 1/2 in ply wood. I dont own a blow gun but I dont think you would have any problems taking sm game at all IMHO.
Its a drag blowguns being illegal in CA.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 5:48 PM ( #6 )
Yeah when i go into the mountains and see a squirrel only fifteen feet away and fast enough to escape me on his worst day, i can only imagine how good he would taste on an open fire seasoned with a little rosemary and sage. I will seriously consider my slingshot options.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, May 02, 2011 10:44 PM ( #7 )
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Yeah when i go into the mountains and see a squirrel only fifteen feet away and fast enough to escape me on his worst day, i can only imagine how good he would taste on an open fire seasoned with a little rosemary and sage.


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Tuesday, March 20, 2012 2:00 AM ( #8 )
I have to agree. Slingshots are great, too. I have a nice collection, and have even crafted a few myself. My personal favorite is my TruMark "The Bat", with the flashlight holder. And I really like my TruMark FSX 2000. I also have a Saunders Wrist Rocket, but I think it is way over-rated for the money.

If you want to really see some awesome slingshot action, check out Jorge Spave's You Tube Channel at:
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoergSprave?ob=0&feature=results_main


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, June 11, 2012 7:40 PM ( #9 )
Blow guns r illegal in canada too I had to explain how I modify darts to make a string tracker for my bow when the ones I ordered got stopped at the border but they said I could have the darts as long as they weren't for blowgun use. I think a slingshot would be deadlier than a blowgun but they are legal here. I've been searchin g for a good reasonably priced one for a long time any suggestions?
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:22 AM ( #10 )
Blowguns are illegal in Guatemala (to prevent poaching of small game...)
They are also illegal in Britain, to use, possess, or loan one to someone. Antique blowguns for display-only are exempt. 

In Canada, they are partially illegal. Hunting blowguns must be rendered incapable of being used by drilling a hole in them, however, blowguns for legal tournaments are allowed, and can be imported through legal channels.

In the U.S., blowguns are illegal in New York City (but OK in the rest of the state...), Washington DC, and the entire states of California, and Massachusetts. No particular reason is given why they are illegal in these areas, and could most likely be legally challenged.

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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Tuesday, June 12, 2012 8:35 AM ( #11 )
In my opinion, blowguns are illegal in some areas simply because of the romantic myths about them, such as Amazon warriors fending off invaders, and head-hunting, with poison-tipped darts. No culture has ever used blowguns as an anti-personnel weapon. No dart could hold enough of any of the available poisons (unless they could dip them in Plutonium...) to be assured of killing a human being. Any dart big enough to hold a lethal dose for a human would be big enough to kill someone on it's own, without the poison.

The other concern is that it could be used by poachers, but this really won't hold water, either, because modern airguns, slings, slingshots and even bows, are just as quiet, and as lethal, if not even more so.

If you are in the US and in an area that prohibits ownership or use of blowguns, my advice is to lobby your elected officials, and maybe even take it to court. In the US, they have to demonstrate a reason why something is illegal, otherwise, it would be unconstitutional. Make them show evidence of when the last time a blowgun was used to commit a crime. Otherwise, repeal the laws.


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:47 PM ( #12 )
how would I find out about legal channels and tournaments this is the first I've heard of this
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:40 PM ( #13 )
I think you are right about the reasons Gigmaster.  Not sure about being able to get anywhere by demanding a reason though.

A lot of weapon laws exist because of image an item has picked up.  Much of it false.  Let anything get a scary image and some politician will try to get credit for making the scary thing go away.

And yeah 'poison darts' get a false image too.  In stories they hit you and people instantly fall over.  Not so much.  Even with the best modern drugs that game managers use or what natives hunt with, its a matter of hitting them and waiting for them to go down.  And if you get the dosage wrong they die.  Or don't go down at all.  And since every animal is different, some die anyhow.  And some are tougher and just don't go down.  There is a reason cops carry bullets and not drug darts.
  
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Thursday, June 14, 2012 7:14 PM ( #14 )
Darts dipped in a poison made from Conoidae snail toxin. A microgram sting will from a live snail will kill a human in 5 minutes or less. I imagine a refined poison coating on the tip of a dart will kill even more quickly.

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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Friday, June 15, 2012 5:00 AM ( #15 )

Maybe, but 5 minutes is a lifetime in combat...more than enough time for your victim to take you with them. 


Your information on Cone Shells is somewhat exaggerated (as most info on all venomous animals invariably is....). Of the 30 documented human envenomations by Cone Shells, only 3 have been fatal. 2 were from allergic reactions, rather than the venom itself, and the 1 death exclusively attributed to the venom was a person who was already suffering from asthma.  The fastest death was more than 5 hours. This is from the Australian Worldwide Venom Database. A severe envenomation from a cone shell is a serious medical problem, but like most snakebites, probably not fatal if medical attention is received in a reasonable amount of time.


There is no natural poison that could be put on the end of a blowgun dart that would reliably kill a human in a reasonable amount of time (ideally, just a shade faster than instantly...). The most toxic substance in the world is botulinum toxin. As little as 1 ng (nanogram) can kill a 200-pound adult human, but even it would take more time to kill than would be practical in a combat scenario. It also biodegrades very rapidly once extracted, which is why it has never been used that way.  I would suggest that if you need to protect yourself from another human being, a blowgun can be a very effective weapon....if you hit them over the head with it.......

The prohibitions on blowguns, I believe, are based on mythology, and to a lesser degree, fear of poaching small animals.


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Darts dipped in a poison made from Conoidae snail toxin. A microgram sting will from a live snail will kill a human in 5 minutes or less. I imagine a refined poison coating on the tip of a dart will kill even more quickly.


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Friday, June 15, 2012 5:03 AM ( #16 )

I am not sure. It was just a vague reference on a blowgun websight. I would check with your local authorities.


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how would I find out about legal channels and tournaments this is the first I've heard of this


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Friday, June 15, 2012 6:17 PM ( #17 )
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And yeah 'poison darts' get a false image too.  In stories they hit you and people instantly fall over.  Not so much.  Even with the best modern drugs that game managers use or what natives hunt with, its a matter of hitting them and waiting for them to go down.  And if you get the dosage wrong they die.  Or don't go down at all.  
 



I was just watching a show on NatGeo where they were relocating elephants from park to park shooting them with darts from a helicopter , one took one dart , ran away and went down in a few minutes  while another one took five darts before stopping and standing still , the wardens had to go down a push him to the ground , no way at all to tell how effective a dose of poison/tranquilizer would be .
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Friday, June 15, 2012 7:35 PM ( #18 )
Part is just the variation of the human--or animal--body.  Some people eat a peanut and die.  Others drink amounts of alcohol that should kill a man and walk around like they are fine.  We once called the people that made our chemistry analyzer to ask them how to get accurate readings at a certain level.  They replied "Why would you care about that ?  Anyone at that level would be dead !"  Where we were we had people walking and talking at that level.  (They had lots of practice.)

Then all parts of the body are not the same.  Get something in a major artery or vein and you can go down in a instant.  Get the same stuff in your butt fat and all you get is a sore butt.

As a kid I was working our family cattle.  Injecting one calf after another all day.  They jump up and run off.   Then I injected one and let him up and he ran about 10 ft and fell over dead.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, June 18, 2012 4:49 PM ( #19 )
just thought I'd let u knowwas talking to customs and the firearm officer for RCMP there is no legal possesion of blow guns in canada for any purpose (u can collect them if permanently rendered inoperable for display
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, June 18, 2012 6:15 PM ( #20 )
Even the CS darts aren't always enough to take down a duck. The Billings Gazette has an article called 'Duck Darts' that shows a duck with a CS broadhead dart through its head, and the duck is still alive and had to be caught to remove the dart. I hear somewhere that the rule of thumb was a dart is good for something up to ten times its weight, so a 2oz dart is good for up to a 20oz animal. Actually, It kind of sucks that they are illegal in California. Maybe we should try to do something to change that.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Monday, June 18, 2012 9:22 PM ( #21 )

I stand corrected, Sir.


That just proves that everything you find on the web isn't always correct.


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just thought I'd let u knowwas talking to customs and the firearm officer for RCMP there is no legal possesion of blow guns in canada for any purpose (u can collect them if permanently rendered inoperable for display


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Saturday, September 01, 2012 1:29 AM ( #22 )

I though those were called "Slapjacks".  That's why I could never be a good thug. I can't keep the nomenclature straight.....


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Chuck Yeager took a slingshot with him on all his flights and on elk hunts and such.  Took small game with it for the pot on elk hunts (and I presume other hunts)  and took it on flights in case he went down.  Just a forked stick type.  So, all sympathy Chabochi--but if you can 'only' use a sling shot, you are still in good company.

Incidentally, if you read somewhere that a SLUNGshot is illegal.  That is not the same thing.   That means a 'sap'  a bunch of lead shot 'slung' in a sock to whop people on the head with.  Often illegal. 


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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Wednesday, December 26, 2012 10:42 AM ( #23 )
In South America they use the poison from little green frogs on blowgun darts. Those seem to be effective.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:52 PM ( #24 )
The poison is good for anything up to the size of a medium monkey. 

I didn't know blowguns were illegal to own in California. I just though it was illegal to mail them there. So, when was the last time a blowgun was used in a homicide there?
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Wednesday, December 26, 2012 3:57 PM ( #25 )
Everything remotely fun is illegal in California AND everything contains lead or causes cancer to booth 
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Thursday, January 03, 2013 10:18 AM ( #26 )
I was very irritated to find that blowguns are illegal here in Canada. I wanted one. I've been thinking of moving to Vermont or another place with more freedom for a while now.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:37 PM ( #27 )
That's funny, because I live in California and I have two blowguns and tons of darts. I have the cheapo 68 cal ones though, not the badass big bores that cold steel offers.
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Sunday, May 11, 2014 6:14 PM ( #28 )
I got my first blow gun when I was in college living in the dorm.  It was just a .40 cal 6 footer but I had lots of fun with it.  I discovered it would shoot a steel piano wire dart clear through a Second Chance bullet proof vest and stick it to a cinder block wall behind it.  It went through between the fibres without cutting any.  The vest stopped point blank rounds from a .44 magnum.  It would go -nearly- through an inflated truck tire sidewall.  I get much more power from my CS blow guns than from any .40 cal type.  Nowadays I just use my .40 cal's for shooting paint balls, there are several attachments to allow rapid fire paint ball shooting as fast as you can manage to breath.  Maybe one could hook up a blow gun to a bagpipe setup for more air capacity than your lungs allow.  
Recently I saw a sling shot design that has about 16" of over draw giving stupendous velocity.  I'll try to find it again and post it unless someone does it first.  


I found the article, it's in the May/June 2014 issue of Backwoodsman magazine page 20.  This is a very interesting issue with -several- articles on the Atocha treasure ship found by Mel Fisher for about $450,000,000 bucks worth of gold, silver, and jewels and that's only about half of what she was carrying.  There's a very interesting article on home made camping gear too.  I'm getting to like this magazine more with each issue I read.  Sorry I can't post the slingshot article but you can still pick up the magazine at any good news stand such as Wall Mart.  The sling design with a 16" overdraw gives about a 50" power stroke and very much improved velocity.  Gotta build one.  
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Re:Are blowguns illegal in CA? - Sunday, May 11, 2014 11:40 PM ( #29 )

I tried that once, but I could never get the little frog to hang on to the dart.........






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In South America they use the poison from little green frogs on blowgun darts. Those seem to be effective.



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